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Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet-naming CFA

Juliusz Chroboczek <jch@irif.fr> Fri, 11 August 2017 16:07 UTC

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Subject: Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet-naming CFA
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> This is a refrain I've heard from you, Juliusz and Markus, which I actually
> find a bit disturbing: the desire not to really solve the problem because it's
> not trivially easy.

If I were in a bad mood, I'd say that the three of us prefer simple, robust
solutions that solve actual problems to complex, brittle hacks that are
not going to be implemented anyway.

> Think about the routing problem. We need source-specific routes. We're
> extending babel to add them. Why is that? Couldn't we have just relied
> on happy eyeballs to eliminate the bad routes?

No, we couldn't.  Happy eyeballs (or MP-TCP, or MP-QUIC, or MP-Mosh) uses
the services provided by source-specific routing.  They work in combination.

(Come on, Ted.  You already knew that.)

> Are you targeting a cheaper, less capable device than this? If so, can
> you talk about why you think that's important for Homenet?

This has nothing to do with the amount of flash or RAM.  It has everything
to do with having protocols that can be implemented in finite time and
with a only a finite number of bugs, and with building networks that can
survive whatever bugs remain.

-- Juliusz

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