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Tim Chown <Tim.Chown@jisc.ac.uk> Fri, 11 August 2017 17:47 UTC

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From: Tim Chown <Tim.Chown@jisc.ac.uk>
To: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
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Subject: Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet-naming CFA
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> On 11 Aug 2017, at 17:53, Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> wrote:
> 
> Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> wrote:
>> Source-specific routing, however, is an incomplete solution.   Having
>> chosen the correct route based on the source address, we still have the
>> problem that one provider connection may be better than another for
>> connecting to a particular destination, and there may be no way to
>> figure that out using the default source address selection algorithm,
>> or even by using a more detailed source address selection algorithm
>> configured by DHCP.   Indeed, this is likely, not unlikely.
> 
> My problem with the MPVD solution is that it seems incomplete too.
> 
> The example that, in contrast to all other content, is when content is
> zero-rated via 3G but not via WIFI. (generalized to any two uplinks)
> I don't know the source address selection or source routing can deal with
> that problem period.
> 
> It seems to me that we are re-inventing SHIM6, trying in vain to pretend we
> never heard of that.  And I still don't understand why it was killed.

Extension headers.

> But, again, I want to adopt the document so that we can argue about this
> as part of our charter work.

Indeed! 

Tim

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