Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet-naming CFA
Toke Høiland-Jørgensen <toke@toke.dk> Sun, 13 August 2017 10:52 UTC
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Subject: Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet-naming CFA
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Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> writes: > What I find completely perplexing about this conversation is that you, > Markus and Toke, all of whom I know to be smart people, think this is > hard. What is hard about it? I think the reason you think it's > hard is simply that you don't know how to do it. Ah no, this was not was I was trying to express. As you say, technically implementing what's currently in your draft is doable, but adds a small to moderate amount of complexity. This can be acceptable, *if* it provides a corresponding benefit. However, I do not believe that it does, for two main reasons: 1. In every encounter I've had with an ISP-provided DNS server, that server is either (a) flaky, (b) censored or (c) both. So limiting ourselves to getting replies from just one upstream for a given query is going to give worse performance than using all available servers (or just doing our own full recursing from the root). 2. Even if DNS queries are paired with source prefixes, the client still has to pick which source prefix to send the DNS query from; how is it going to do that? (This may just be me that is ignorant of the details of the MPvD architecture; if so, please do enlighten me). Together, these points mean that as far as I'm concerned, what you're proposing is adding complexity to achieve a behaviour that is going to result in *worse* performance than doing the simple thing. Which is not a good proposition, as I'm sure you'll agree. Now, as I said a few mails back, I am perfectly happy to be convinced that there *is* a benefit worth paying the complexity cost for; but, well, someone is going to have to do the convincing... :) -Toke
- [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet-nam… STARK, BARBARA H
- Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet… Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet… Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
- Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet… Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet… Markus Stenberg
- Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet… Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet… Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
- Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet… Michael Richardson
- Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet… Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet… Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
- Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet… Juliusz Chroboczek
- Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet… Ray Bellis
- Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet… Juliusz Chroboczek
- Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet… Juliusz Chroboczek
- Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet… Ray Bellis
- Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet… Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet… Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
- Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet… Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet… Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
- Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet… Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet… Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
- Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet… Juliusz Chroboczek
- Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet… STARK, BARBARA H
- Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet… Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet… Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet… Juliusz Chroboczek
- Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet… Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet… Michael Richardson
- Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet… Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet… Tim Chown
- Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet… Michael Richardson
- Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet… Ted Lemon
- [homenet] use of MPvD in homenet Michael Richardson
- Re: [homenet] use of MPvD in homenet Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet… Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
- Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet… Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet… Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
- Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet… Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet… Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
- Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet… Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet… Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
- Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet… Juliusz Chroboczek
- Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet… Juliusz Chroboczek
- Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet… Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet… Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet… Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
- Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet… Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet… Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
- Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet… Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet… Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
- Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet… Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet… Ralf Weber
- Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet… Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
- Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet… Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
- Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet… Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet… Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet… Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet… Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
- Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet… Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
- [homenet] tuscles and conflicting goals / trust w… Michael Richardson
- Re: [homenet] tuscles and conflicting goals / tru… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [homenet] tuscles and conflicting goals / tru… Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet… Juliusz Chroboczek
- Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet… Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] tuscles and conflicting goals / tru… Michael Richardson
- Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet… Michael Richardson
- Re: [homenet] tuscles and conflicting goals / tru… STARK, BARBARA H
- Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet… Gert Doering
- Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet… Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet… Juliusz Chroboczek
- Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet… Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] tuscles and conflicting goals / tru… Michael Richardson
- Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet… Juliusz Chroboczek