Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp-version-capability-08, to end September 25
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Subject: Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp-version-capability-08, to end September 25
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> - I think requiring extended optional params is a good idea for this. It > mitigates the necessity for having to do do the math to squeeze stuff in > or not. How about we would just carry a fixed size URL reference to this effectively static and opaque to the bgp protocol information instead of actual text string ? IMO anything which is static and is not needed for protocol operations, best path selection etc ... should be passed as a pointer. Fetching such string could be done in spare CPU times well before need to locally present it or at the run time when someone executes a show cmd or other form of query api. Note that till one day dynamic capabilities are in place - the above would also cover ISSU/NSR where one would like to do software upgrade without BGP session reset. Thx, R. On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 10:38 PM Jeffrey Haas <jhaas@pfrc.org> wrote: > Adding in a comment as I clear my backlog: > > On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 06:18:21PM +0000, John Scudder wrote: > > It seems to me that the discussion hasn’t concluded and we are still > having productive discussion. Hence, I would like to extend the period for > discussion by another week, now to conclude on October 2. > > I have general concerns about this feature. But let me offer related > observations why my opinion is "not a fan, but of potential use": > > - This capability is advertised prior to session establishment. > RFC 8203 got a bit of jutification for putting in text during a > NOTIFICATION where the session is going down anyway. Having this at > session start means less chance for damange than if we're exchanging > stuff a > bit more interactively in something like the operational message. > - I think requiring extended optional params is a good idea for this. It > mitigates the necessity for having to do do the math to squeeze stuff in > or not. > > I would qualify the feature as "mostly harmless" and "useful in some > circumstancs". Use in BGP fabrics is one I find a compelling use case. > > I'm strongly supportive of the concerns with using this feature for general > ISP eBGP use cases. I will, however, offer the related observation that an > ISP may like knowing what version of software their customers are running. > It may ease situations where service providers may want to signal a > customer > to upgrade a vulnerable stack. > > Consider me weakly supportive of adoption and fast WGLC. > > -- Jeff > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr >
- [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp-ver… John Scudder
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Randy Bush
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Donatas Abraitis
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… tom petch
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… john heasley
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Randy Bush
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Donatas Abraitis
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… John Scudder
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… John Scudder
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… EXT - heas
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… tom petch
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Dongjie (Jimmy)
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… John Scudder
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… John Scudder
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Donatas Abraitis
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… John Scudder
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… John Scudder
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Randy Bush
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… John Scudder
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Donatas Abraitis
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Aijun Wang
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… bruno.decraene
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Donatas Abraitis
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Alvaro Retana
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Donatas Abraitis
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Donatas Abraitis
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Donatas Abraitis
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Donatas Abraitis
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Donatas Abraitis
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Donatas Abraitis
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Claudio Jeker
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… John Scudder
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Linda Dunbar
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Linda Dunbar
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Donatas Abraitis
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jeffrey Haas
- [Idr] draft-ietf-rtgwg-net2cloud-problem-statemen… Linda Dunbar
- Re: [Idr] draft-ietf-rtgwg-net2cloud-problem-stat… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] draft-ietf-rtgwg-net2cloud-problem-stat… Linda Dunbar
- Re: [Idr] draft-ietf-rtgwg-net2cloud-problem-stat… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] [EXTERNAL] Re: draft-ietf-rtgwg-net2clo… Kausik Majumdar
- Re: [Idr] [EXTERNAL] Re: draft-ietf-rtgwg-net2clo… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Idr] [EXTERNAL] Re: draft-ietf-rtgwg-net2clo… Kausik Majumdar
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Idr] [EXTERNAL] Re: draft-ietf-rtgwg-net2clo… Linda Dunbar
- Re: [Idr] [EXTERNAL] Re: draft-ietf-rtgwg-net2clo… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Donatas Abraitis
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Linda Dunbar
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Donatas Abraitis
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Linda Dunbar
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Donatas Abraitis
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Donatas Abraitis
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Gyan Mishra
- [Idr] Re: WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Donatas Abraitis
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Gyan Mishra
- [Idr] Re: WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Donatas Abraitis
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… John Scudder
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jeffrey Haas
- [Idr] Re: WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Acee Lindem
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… John Scudder
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Donatas Abraitis
- [Idr] Re: WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Randy Bush
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… John Scudder
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk