Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp-version-capability-08, to end September 25

Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net> Wed, 11 January 2023 19:20 UTC

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From: Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2023 20:20:08 +0100
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Subject: Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp-version-capability-08, to end September 25
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> a feature that is useful from an operational standpoint

So let's put all the encoding aside. Your email made me curious why router
A needs to know BGP release number, OS version and vendor name of router B
?

Are we doing such a bad job in IDR that BGP no longer interoperates at the
protocol level ?

The original problem was presented as 1000s of computes reporting their BGP
versions to TORs. But those 1000s of computes are already managed by
orchestration which does have this information. Why should BGP TOR care ?

Or why IXP Route Server should care that customer X is connecting with
Junos vs with Huawei vs with Arrcus to it or to other IX fabric members ?

Kind regards,
R.