Re: [Idr] draft-head-idr-bgp-ls-isis-fr-01 - WG adoption call (6/6 to 6/20)

[Susan Hares <[e-mail]>]

Tony P:

Sigh…
[IDR Chair hat on]
Personally focused humor about a person’s job or a person is out of scope for IDR WG mail lists.

Restrain (and retrain) your acerbic humor  to technology, IDR chairs, IETF infrastructure, US or European politics, Wars and the weather.

Cheers,
Sue



From: Tony Przygienda <[e-mail]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2022 4:05 PM
To: Robert Raszuk <[e-mail]>
Cc: Gert Doering <[e-mail]>; Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) <ginsberg=[e-mail]>; [e-mail]; Susan Hares <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-head-idr-bgp-ls-isis-fr-01 - WG adoption call (6/6 to 6/20)

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On Wed, Jun 8, 2022 at 8:47 PM Robert Raszuk <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:

train left the station ages ago pushed by original authors who dissipated leaving us with this contraption ...

So perhaps time to cut this car out of the locomotive ? Before it causes the entire train to derail damaging fun and joy for many ?

Robert, good luck with that then ... Let me know how it goes after you talked to a bunch of really large customers having lots automation built around it already ;-) Ooops, I forgot you're fortunate enough these days to not be with a vendor running a large part of the planet.



genuinely funny that this 5 pages tiny TLV draft is causing such a deep soul searrching in IDR ;-)

For one this is not about this draft but any new IGP protocol extension seen in ISIS or OSPF messages to go to BGP-LS -- as it turns out this is really what it is.

For this very draft irrespective if this is a separate document or you copy and paste it into the main ISIS reflection spec - I am still not seeing the need to send it anywhere by BGP.


first, IGP draft is in publication already

second, BGP-LS is IDR domain  unless there are plans to move it into LSR charter ?

yes, I'm just mildly acerbic/flippant but please, let's stay real here though I know you go to arbitrary lengths often to get a laugh/raised eyebrows ;-)

-- tony