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Re: [Idr] draft-head-idr-bgp-ls-isis-fr-01 - WG adoption call (6/6 to 6/20)

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From: Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>
To: Tony Przygienda <tonysietf@gmail.com>, Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>
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Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-head-idr-bgp-ls-isis-fr-01 - WG adoption call (6/6 to 6/20)
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Tony P and IDR:

To clarify (in the midst an email volley of acerbic human humor)
BGP-LS is in IDR’s charter.

Cheers, Sue

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Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-head-idr-bgp-ls-isis-fr-01 - WG adoption call (6/6 to 6/20)

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On Wed, Jun 8, 2022 at 8:47 PM Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net<mailto:robert@raszuk.net>> wrote:

train left the station ages ago pushed by original authors who dissipated leaving us with this contraption ...

So perhaps time to cut this car out of the locomotive ? Before it causes the entire train to derail damaging fun and joy for many ?

Robert, good luck with that then ... Let me know how it goes after you talked to a bunch of really large customers having lots automation built around it already ;-) Ooops, I forgot you're fortunate enough these days to not be with a vendor running a large part of the planet.



genuinely funny that this 5 pages tiny TLV draft is causing such a deep soul searrching in IDR ;-)

For one this is not about this draft but any new IGP protocol extension seen in ISIS or OSPF messages to go to BGP-LS -- as it turns out this is really what it is.

For this very draft irrespective if this is a separate document or you copy and paste it into the main ISIS reflection spec - I am still not seeing the need to send it anywhere by BGP.


first, IGP draft is in publication already

second, BGP-LS is IDR domain  unless there are plans to move it into LSR charter ?

yes, I'm just mildly acerbic/flippant but please, let's stay real here though I know you go to arbitrary lengths often to get a laugh/raised eyebrows ;-)

-- tony

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