Re: [Idr] draft-head-idr-bgp-ls-isis-fr-01 - WG adoption call (6/6 to 6/20)

Tony Przygienda <tonysietf@gmail.com> Wed, 08 June 2022 20:05 UTC

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From: Tony Przygienda <tonysietf@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2022 22:04:47 +0200
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Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-head-idr-bgp-ls-isis-fr-01 - WG adoption call (6/6 to 6/20)
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On Wed, Jun 8, 2022 at 8:47 PM Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net> wrote:

>
>
>> train left the station ages ago pushed by original authors who dissipated
>> leaving us with this contraption ...
>>
>
> So perhaps time to cut this car out of the locomotive ? Before it causes
> the entire train to derail damaging fun and joy for many ?
>

Robert, good luck with that then ... Let me know how it goes after you
talked to a bunch of really large customers having lots automation built
around it already ;-) Ooops, I forgot you're fortunate enough these days to
not be with a vendor running a large part of the planet.


>
>
> genuinely funny that this 5 pages tiny TLV draft is causing such a deep
>> soul searrching in IDR ;-)
>>
>
> For one this is not about this draft but any new IGP protocol extension
> seen in ISIS or OSPF messages to go to BGP-LS -- as it turns out this is
> really what it is.
>
> For this very draft irrespective if this is a separate document or you
> copy and paste it into the main ISIS reflection spec - I am still not
> seeing the need to send it anywhere by BGP.
>
>
first, IGP draft is in publication already

second, BGP-LS is IDR domain  unless there are plans to move it into LSR
charter ?

yes, I'm just mildly acerbic/flippant but please, let's stay real here
though I know you go to arbitrary lengths often to get a laugh/raised
eyebrows ;-)

-- tony