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Re: [Ietf-languages] Proposal for variant language subtags for German dialects

Doug Ewell <doug@ewellic.org> Mon, 30 October 2023 18:21 UTC

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From: Doug Ewell <doug@ewellic.org>
To: John Cowan <cowan@ccil.org>, IETF Languages Discussion <ietf-languages@iana.org>
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Subject: Re: [Ietf-languages] Proposal for variant language subtags for German dialects
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John Cowan wrote:

> The following variant subtags should be changed from de- to the
> following forms:
> .[...]
> ripuaria (Ripuarian) = ksh

Was this meant to be "ksh-ripuaria", or did you mean that Ripuarian is already covered by 'ksh' (Kölsch), and as such this particular request should be withdrawn?

> All "Low German" descriptions should be duplicated as "Low Saxon".

Is this needed for clarity, or only for encyclopedic completeness?

Wikipedia (which I understand is not infallible) describes Low Saxon as “a group of Low German dialects spoken in parts of the Netherlands, northwestern Germany and southern Denmark”; i.e. Low Saxon is a subset of Low German. If accurate, this implies that the equivalence and/or redundancy shown in the description “Low German; Low Saxon; German, Low; Saxon, Low” which we inherited from ISO 639-2 may not be appropriate for dialects and sub-dialects.

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