Re: [Ietf-languages] Fwd: Proposal for variant language subtags for German dialects

Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer@nic.fr> Fri, 20 October 2023 11:43 UTC

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From: Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer@nic.fr>
To: Lisa Dücker <lisa.duecker=40uni-marburg.de@dmarc.ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [Ietf-languages] Fwd: Proposal for variant language subtags for German dialects
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On Fri, Oct 20, 2023 at 10:51:29AM +0200,
 Lisa Dücker <lisa.duecker=40uni-marburg.de@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote 
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> With regards to the tags for the Alemannic varieties: I would very
> much like for all the Alemannic varieties to be prefixed with “de”,
> since linguistically speaking, they are varieties of the German
> language.

I defer to your expertise here but I'm afraid the ship has already
sailed. In ISO 639, alemannic languages have tag gsw, not de.