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Re: [Ietf-languages] Fwd: Proposal for variant language subtags for German dialects

Lisa Dücker <lisa.duecker@uni-marburg.de> Mon, 23 October 2023 15:17 UTC

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From: Lisa Dücker <lisa.duecker@uni-marburg.de>
To: John Cowan <cowan@ccil.org>
Cc: Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer@nic.fr>, Mark Davis ☕️ <mark@macchiato.com>, Sebastian Drude <drude@xs4all.nl>, Doug Ewell <doug@ewellic.org>, Hugh Paterson III <sil.linguist@gmail.com>, ietf-languages@iana.org, Christian Galinski <christian.galinski@chello.at>
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Subject: Re: [Ietf-languages] Fwd: Proposal for variant language subtags for German dialects
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Then I will gladly abide by the principles of the BCP 47 and have all  
the alemannic tags go with the prefix gsw.


Zitat von John Cowan <cowan@ccil.org>:

> On Fri, Oct 20, 2023 at 7:43 AM Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer@nic.fr>
> wrote:
>
>
>> >linguistically speaking, they are varieties of the German
>> > language.
>
>
>
>>
>>  I defer to your expertise here but I'm afraid the ship has already
>> sailed. In ISO 639, alemannic languages have tag gsw, not de.
>>
>
> Indeed.  It would violate the principles of BCP 47 to tag Alemannic as a
> whole using "gsw" and Highest Alemannic as "de-alemhist"; the latter has to
> be "gsw-alemhist".
>
> Furthermore, the distinction between a language and a dialect is not a
> linguistic one:  "a shprakh iz a dyalekt mit an armey un flot" (Max
> Weinreich, quoting an otherwise unknown New York City high school teacher),
> a sentence which is probably intelligible to most Germans but is not in the
> German language.



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Lisa Dücker
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Forschungszentrum Deutscher Sprachatlas
Philipps-Universität Marburg

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