Re: [Ietf-languages] Proposal for variant language subtags for German dialects

[Michael Everson <[e-mail]>]

> On 20 Oct 2023, at 09:51, Lisa Dücker <lisa.duecker=[e-mail]> wrote:
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> I have attached two maps that show the language regions referenced by the tags that I have proposed. First is the (German) map from Wiesinger (1983) that is being referenced widely in German dialectology to this day. The language regions correspond to the language tags I have proposed. Second is a map from Lameli (2022) that shows those regions with names of the languag regions translated into English.

I received no maps.

> I do not plan on using the dialect tags to document these varieties. The aim of the proposed tags is to use them to tag linguistic resources like linguistic data sets, language maps and atlasses of regional varieties in different databases. At Research Center Deutscher Sprachatlas, we host (and make available to researchers and the public) a lot of different resources like several atlasses that document different varieties of German, like the Nordbairischer Sprachatlas (Northbavarian Language Atlas) (https://regionalsprache.de/nordbsa.aspx) and the Schlesischer Sprachatlas (Silesian Language Atlas) (https://regionalsprache.de/schlessa.aspx). Those resources refer not to the German lanuage as a whole, but to regional varieties.

The first one is an isogloss maps for a small area. The second one is illegible. Of course I am familiar with such maps from my work encoding Latin characters used for phonetic transcription in Teuthonista. This isn’t what I was asking about before though.

> A lot of the data will be focused on language regions smaller than “de”, “nds” and “gsw” and we would like to offer our users the possibility to use a standardized tagset for tagging their data accordingly. A standardized set of dialect tags would ensure a smooth process.

All of your researchers agree on the entities? Since 1983? (See below.)

> we purposefully chose what Wiesinger (1983) calls “Dialektregionen” and “Dialektverbände” (plus the language region “Westdeutsch” as proposed by Lameli 2013) and not the most fine-grained dialect groupings in use in German dialectology, to keep the number of different tags at a manageable level.

About that. You "would like to propose a batch of variant subtags to cover all German dialects as described by Wiesinger (1983)”. Well I did not go through your list counting them. I suggested a map. Or a list. Both. 

So far I am not convinced.

Michael Everson