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Re: [Ietf-languages] Fwd: Proposal for variant language subtags for German dialects

John Cowan <cowan@ccil.org> Sat, 21 October 2023 10:16 UTC

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From: John Cowan <cowan@ccil.org>
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2023 06:16:38 -0400
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To: Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer@nic.fr>
Cc: Lisa Dücker <lisa.duecker=40uni-marburg.de@dmarc.ietf.org>, Mark Davis ☕️ <mark@macchiato.com>, Sebastian Drude <drude@xs4all.nl>, Doug Ewell <doug@ewellic.org>, Hugh Paterson III <sil.linguist@gmail.com>, ietf-languages@iana.org, Christian Galinski <christian.galinski@chello.at>
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Subject: Re: [Ietf-languages] Fwd: Proposal for variant language subtags for German dialects
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On Fri, Oct 20, 2023 at 7:43 AM Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer@nic.fr>
wrote:


> >linguistically speaking, they are varieties of the German
> > language.



>
>  I defer to your expertise here but I'm afraid the ship has already
> sailed. In ISO 639, alemannic languages have tag gsw, not de.
>

Indeed.  It would violate the principles of BCP 47 to tag Alemannic as a
whole using "gsw" and Highest Alemannic as "de-alemhist"; the latter has to
be "gsw-alemhist".

Furthermore, the distinction between a language and a dialect is not a
linguistic one:  "a shprakh iz a dyalekt mit an armey un flot" (Max
Weinreich, quoting an otherwise unknown New York City high school teacher),
a sentence which is probably intelligible to most Germans but is not in the
German language.

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