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RE: wadegile and pinyin LANGUAGE SUBTAG REGISTRATION FORMs

"Broome, Karen" <Karen_Broome@spe.sony.com> Wed, 27 August 2008 00:20 UTC

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From: "Broome, Karen" <Karen_Broome@spe.sony.com>
To: Andrew Cunningham <lang.support@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:19:28 -0700
Subject: RE: wadegile and pinyin LANGUAGE SUBTAG REGISTRATION FORMs
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This is what Mark's updated form already says.

Karen

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From: Andrew Cunningham [lang.support@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 5:16 PM
To: Broome, Karen
Cc: ietflang IETF Languages Discussion
Subject: Re: wadegile and pinyin LANGUAGE SUBTAG REGISTRATION FORMs

I'd prefer the description to read

"Hanyu Pinyin romanization of Mandarin Chinese." to make it clearly distinct that it refers to Hanyu Pinyin and not Tongyong Pinyin.

2008/8/27 Broome, Karen <Karen_Broome@spe.sony.com<mailto:Karen_Broome@spe.sony.com>>
Right now, this is the only text planned for entry in the registry:

Type: variant
Subtag: pinyin
Description: Pinyin romanization of Chinese
Prefix: zh-Latn

If this is approved with "zh",  could we amend the description to "Pinyin romanization of Mandarin Chinese." I don't think we can expect users to read the registration forms and they might be misled by this description and prefix.

Regards,

Karen Broome


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From: ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no<mailto:ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no> [ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no<mailto:ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no>] On Behalf Of Michael Everson [everson@evertype.com<mailto:everson@evertype.com>]
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Subject: Re: wadegile and pinyin LANGUAGE SUBTAG REGISTRATION FORMs

On 26 Aug 2008, at 13:56, Doug Ewell wrote:

Michael Everson <everson at evertype dot com> wrote:

I have nothing against "wadegile" and approve it herewith.

I approve "pinyin" too.

Is that to say you approve them with a Prefix value of "zh-Latn", as shown on Mark's "R2" registration forms?

Erm, no. Both Wade Giles and Hanyu Pinyin imply Latin inherently, in my opinion. zh-wadegile and zh-pinyin cannot mean zh-Cyrl-wadegile or zh-Grek-pinyin.

Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com<http://www.evertype.com/>


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