Re: Applying "Note Well" to side meetings

Richard Barnes <rlb@ipv.sx> Sun, 21 July 2019 10:25 UTC

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From: Richard Barnes <rlb@ipv.sx>
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 06:25:12 -0400
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Subject: Re: Applying "Note Well" to side meetings
To: "Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com>
Cc: IETF Rinse Repeat <ietf@ietf.org>, Phillip Hallam-Baker <hallam@gmail.com>, "adrian@olddog.co.uk" <adrian@olddog.co.uk>
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On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 06:17 Salz, Rich <rsalz@akamai.com> wrote:

> *>*It was my understanding that note well always applied
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> Same here.
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Maybe folks could provide a citation for this?  Because I have exactly the
opposite impression — that the Note Well only applies in contexts where it
is explicitly stated that it does, e.g., official sessions.

As Adrian says, there is a line.  I understood that line to be something
like, “The organizers of the meeting decide to apply Note Well”, just as
one might apply the Chatham House Rule.  So side meetings could be covered
if they chose, but not by default.

In any case, the premise for this thread seems a bit confused, since side
meetings are by definition not subject to IETF control.

—RLB

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