Re: Applying "Note Well" to side meetings

[Brian E Carpenter <[e-mail]>]

IANAL and I think the IESG needs to get the IETF's lawyer's opinion, preferably before tomorrow morning. But given the words in the BCP, better safe than sorry.

A meeting scheduled in a room paid for as part of the IETF meeting sure seems as if it's probably intended to affect the standards process.

   Brian

On 22-Jul-19 00:02, Scott O. Bradner wrote:
> you are entitled to your opinion, of course, but I am speaking as a person who ran the BOF where the specific
> text "intended to affect the IETF Standards Process” was developed and agreed to as well as a person who 
> edited the specific text - it is my opinion that the BOF (and thus the IETF) intended the rules to apply
> wherever actions are taken or text developed that are "intended to affect the IETF Standards Process” 
> in particular, IPR disclosure is required if known
> 
> I have no opinion as to the facts of the specific case of ANRW since I have not been following that
> 
> Scott
> 
>> On Jul 21, 2019, at 7:42 AM, Richard Barnes <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>
>> Scott, I think you may be over-stating things a bit.  The IETF doesn't get to make universal statements that apply to things out of its remit.  For example, there are numerous research conferences that are held on IETF-related technologies -- often with a specific focus on providing helpful input to IETF! -- which are not held under note well.
>>
>> The location of such meetings alongside IETF meetings does not change this fact.  AFAICT, ANRW is not covered by Note Well, despite having the explicit goal of "transition[ing] research back into IETF".
>>
>> The definition of Contribution in 8179 makes this clear from the start:
>>
>> """
>> "Contribution": any submission to the IETF ...
>> """
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 7:27 AM Adrian Farrel <[e-mail]> wrote:
>> Thanks Scott, that's helpful.
>> A
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Scott O. Bradner <[e-mail]> 
>> Sent: 21 July 2019 11:24
>> To: Adrian Farrel <[e-mail]>
>> Cc: IETF Rinse Repeat <[e-mail]>
>> Subject: Re: Applying "Note Well" to side meetings
>>
>> speaking as co-editor of the ruleset
>>
>> see the definition of “Contribution” in RFC 8179
>>
>> basically, the “note well” applies whenever activities that are "intended to 
>> affect the IETF Standards Process” may happen
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>> On Jul 20, 2019, at 3:18 PM, Adrian Farrel <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Normally [1] when we have a "bar BoF" (also known as a "side meeting") we do
>>> not apply the terms of the "Note Well" [2]. We have usually considered bar
>>> BoFs to be outside the IETF because the IETF has no control over who meets
>>> and drinks.
>>>
>>> However, this time around, the side meetings are somewhat more formal with
>>> room bookings and projectors and advertisements and so on.
>>>
>>> So, does the Note Well apply to these side meetings?
>>>
>>> Apologies if I missed an email on this: I sometimes don't focus as much as I
>>> should.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Adrian
>>>
>>> [1] For some practical definition of "normal"
>>> [2] https://www.ietf.org/about/note-well/
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