Re: Admission Control to the IETF 78 and IETF 79 Networks

On Jul 1, 2010, at 11:50 AM, Ole Jacobsen wrote:

>
> You wrote:
>
> "It is clear to people unfamiliar with the IETF that IETF meeting
> participants means people who have registered for the IETF meeting."
>
> Correct.

... and their accompanying persons (who can also get a slip).

Regards
Marshall

>
> "I have been told that an IETF meeting does not have security guards
> at the door to verify who has a badge to determine whether the person
> is registered for the meeting. If someone walks into an IETF meeting,
> the person can enjoy the cookie for free and even provide a
> contribution at the mic. The person enjoys the same privileges as
> people who have paid for meeting attendance fee."
>
> This is also true, but it is clearly not DESIGNED to let anyone
> participate for free in our meetings. I'd call this a "side-effect"
> that, if abused, would be remedied with exactly the kind of guards
> and badge checkers you envision. Participation in our PROCESS is open
> and can be achieved through mailing lists. Participation in our
> meetings has a real cost associated with it regardless of how it is
> funded. You are well aware of the fellowship program for example.
>
> "The fashion in the IETF is to have an open network. There isn't any
> admission control and credentials are not required to enjoy the
> benefit of free and full Internet access. The IETF may run out of
> cookies; it never runs out of bandwidth."
>
> I would have to disagree. You were probably not even born when we
> had real terminal rooms with real terminals and computers and mean
> looking security guards who very much did check badges. As stewards
> of the IETF meeting resources, I would say that it is perfectly
> reasonable for the IAOC (or the local host) to control access to
> <insert resource> to only meeting participants. There is no principal
> difference between cookies and network here as far as I am concerned.
> And as others have pointed out, access control to WiFi networks is
> the norm rather than the exception, even when they are "free".
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ole
>
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