Re: Admission Control to the IETF 78 and IETF 79 Networks

Mark Atwood <mra@pobox.com> Tue, 06 July 2010 18:37 UTC

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From: Mark Atwood <mra@pobox.com>
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2010 11:37:20 -0700
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Subject: Re: Admission Control to the IETF 78 and IETF 79 Networks
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> As far as using certificates --- sure, it's possible to set up EAP-TLS
> using client certificates.  It can be done on Mac, Windows, and Linux.
> But the setup of that across multiple operating systems and getting
> users to correctly set up their certificates, sending a CA signing
> request securely to a central system, configuring their client WiFi
> system to deal with EAP-TLS, etc., is a usability nightmare.

That is sadly true.  However, it would still be a good idea to do at
the IETF gathering, *because* it is currently a usability nightmare.
There is not enough both real world experience, and exposure of IETF
participant attendees to actual "tip of the spear" usability of
interesting use cases like this.

If lots of smart and networking aware people all get the chance to do
this kind of "interop and usability" "testing" all at once, then a lot
of useful knowledge, tips, howtos, bug discovery, and application
feedback will happen, which I believe can only be a good thing towards
fixing the usability bottleneck that client certs are today.

..m