Re: dmarc damage, was gmail users read on... [bozo subtopic]

Wei Chuang <weihaw@google.com> Sun, 14 September 2014 07:39 UTC

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From: Wei Chuang <weihaw@google.com>
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 00:38:48 -0700
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Subject: Re: dmarc damage, was gmail users read on... [bozo subtopic]
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On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 6:49 AM, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:

> >Agreed, but just wanted to add one thing- doesn't the details of the
> whether the sender
> >has to align or not depends on whether SPF or DKIM is used as the
> authentication method?
>
> No.  Neither DKIM nor SPF have any connection to either the From: or
> Sender: header other than what DMARC is trying to do.
>

Not terribly important but- my statement about DKIM/SPF was in the context
of DMARC.


> R's,
> John
>
>
-Wei