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"Cao,Zhen" <zehn.cao@gmail.com> Fri, 12 July 2013 01:47 UTC

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Subject: Re: Regarding call Chinese names
From: "Cao,Zhen" <zehn.cao@gmail.com>
To: Donald Eastlake <d3e3e3@gmail.com>
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Yes, agree, we will change that accordingly.
Thanks.
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 11:40 PM, Donald Eastlake <d3e3e3@gmail.com> wrote:
> First/Last = bad/ambiguous
>
> Family (or maybe inherited) / Given = good
>
> Thanks,
> Donald
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> On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Cyrus Daboo <cyrus@daboo.name> wrote:
>> Hi Simon,
>>
>>
>> --On July 11, 2013 at 3:58:10 PM +0200 Simon Perreault
>> <simon.perreault@viagenie.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>> We submitted two drafts to help people here to correctly call chinese
>>>> people names:
>>>>
>>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-deng-call-chinese-names-00
>>>>    http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zcao-chinese-pronounce-00
>>>
>>>
>>> Very cool! Thanks for writing this!
>>>
>>> I have a question: I think I've seen Chinese names written in both
>>> orders. That is, sometimes "Hui Deng" will be written "Deng Hui". Am I
>>> right? Does this happen often? What is the most common order? Is there a
>>> way to guess what order a name is written in? Sometimes it's not easy
>>> for non-Sinophones to know which part is the given name and which part
>>> is the family name.
>>
>>
>> Well that actually brings up a good technical point!
>>
>> In iCalendar (RFC5545) we have properties to represent the organizer and
>> attendee of meetings. A parameter (attribute) of those properties is "CN" -
>> defined to be the "common name" of the corresponding calendar user.
>> Obviously that is a single string and typically the concatenation of first
>> name/last name. But that of course is a very "Western" approach.
>>
>> I have had several people request that iCalendar instead define new
>> parameters for "FIRST-NAME" and "LAST-NAME". That then gives clients the
>> option of re-ordering those for display purposes based on user locales and
>> preferences.
>>
>> So, from a technical standpoint, it seems better to always represent user
>> names using components (last, first, middle)? vCard does have an "N"
>> property where individual components of a name can be broken out.
>>
>> --
>> Cyrus Daboo
>>

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