Re: Applying "Note Well" to side meetings

["Scott O. Bradner" <[e-mail]>]

you are entitled to your opinion, of course, but I am speaking as a person who ran the BOF where the specific
text "intended to affect the IETF Standards Process” was developed and agreed to as well as a person who 
edited the specific text - it is my opinion that the BOF (and thus the IETF) intended the rules to apply
wherever actions are taken or text developed that are "intended to affect the IETF Standards Process” 
in particular, IPR disclosure is required if known

I have no opinion as to the facts of the specific case of ANRW since I have not been following that

Scott

> On Jul 21, 2019, at 7:42 AM, Richard Barnes <[e-mail]> wrote:
> 
> Scott, I think you may be over-stating things a bit.  The IETF doesn't get to make universal statements that apply to things out of its remit.  For example, there are numerous research conferences that are held on IETF-related technologies -- often with a specific focus on providing helpful input to IETF! -- which are not held under note well.
> 
> The location of such meetings alongside IETF meetings does not change this fact.  AFAICT, ANRW is not covered by Note Well, despite having the explicit goal of "transition[ing] research back into IETF".
> 
> The definition of Contribution in 8179 makes this clear from the start:
> 
> """
> "Contribution": any submission to the IETF ...
> """
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 7:27 AM Adrian Farrel <[e-mail]> wrote:
> Thanks Scott, that's helpful.
> A
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott O. Bradner <[e-mail]> 
> Sent: 21 July 2019 11:24
> To: Adrian Farrel <[e-mail]>
> Cc: IETF Rinse Repeat <[e-mail]>
> Subject: Re: Applying "Note Well" to side meetings
> 
> speaking as co-editor of the ruleset
> 
> see the definition of “Contribution” in RFC 8179
> 
> basically, the “note well” applies whenever activities that are "intended to 
> affect the IETF Standards Process” may happen
> 
> Scott
> 
> > On Jul 20, 2019, at 3:18 PM, Adrian Farrel <[e-mail]> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Normally [1] when we have a "bar BoF" (also known as a "side meeting") we do
> > not apply the terms of the "Note Well" [2]. We have usually considered bar
> > BoFs to be outside the IETF because the IETF has no control over who meets
> > and drinks.
> > 
> > However, this time around, the side meetings are somewhat more formal with
> > room bookings and projectors and advertisements and so on.
> > 
> > So, does the Note Well apply to these side meetings?
> > 
> > Apologies if I missed an email on this: I sometimes don't focus as much as I
> > should.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Adrian
> > 
> > [1] For some practical definition of "normal"
> > [2] https://www.ietf.org/about/note-well/
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