Re: ISMS working group and charter problems
"Spencer Dawkins" <spencer@mcsr-labs.org> Wed, 07 September 2005 20:04 UTC
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Subject: Re: ISMS working group and charter problems
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FWIW, the RUTS BoF in Orlando captured a decently canonical list of "why TCP is not the right answer for my application" points, in case anyone needs to look at prior art :-) http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/98dec/43rd-ietf-98dec-142.html Ummm, when you guys are thinking about "SNMP over bandwidth-constrained wireless links", I'm wondering what kind of "wireless links" you're thinking of - but that's gotta be off-topic for this thread. Spencer From: "Fleischman, Eric" <eric.fleischman@boeing.com> This issue was discussed within the ISMS WG over a period of several weeks. During those discussions, I tried to explain why I believe that a UDP transport alternative for ISMS needs to be available. I offered the following technical reasons supporting this position: 1) Our experience is that SNMP over TCP has significantly worse behavior in bandwidth constrained environments (e.g., wireless links) and during times of network congestion than SNMP over UDP. 2)TCP's inappropriate behavior (i.e., treating latency as congestion and thus "backing off") in high latency environments such as across geo-stationary satellite links. I do not understand why the WG did not resonate with these observations, since these are very well known issues and the technical underlying reasons easy to understand. I can only conclude that while these issues are very important to the deployments with which I am familiar, they are sadly not relevant to the majority of the ISMS WG. I believe that ISMS would be a better solution if it could operate within all envisioned environments. --Eric/ietf _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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