RE: ISMS working group and charter problems
"Fleischman, Eric" <eric.fleischman@boeing.com> Wed, 07 September 2005 19:20 UTC
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Subject: RE: ISMS working group and charter problems
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>You are correct that, in the current plan, the ISMS model would be >TCP-based. That is what I meant to state by saying "UDP and the >current SNMPv3 USM security mechanisms will still work". ISMS will >be TCP-based, but UDP/USM will still work -- in fact, it will still >also be mandatory-to-implement for SNMPv3 compliance... I did not >mean to imply that UDP/ISMS will work, or even that it will ever be >defined. Yes, Margaret, we are tracking each other on that point. However, the nature of my objection was that I believe that this state of affairs is unacceptable. Since I have concluded, for the reasons I partially enumerated in my previous post, that historic SNMPv3 USM is unusable for very large deployments, what good is devising an ISMS supplement that is also partly/largely unusable for different reasons (i.e., transport reasons (ISMS) rather than security reasons SNMPv3 USM))? I believe that network management is too important a functionality to be designed such that it can only be usable within highly confined environmental constraints. _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
- ISMS working group and charter problems Eliot Lear
- Re: ISMS working group and charter problems Dave Crocker
- Re: ISMS working group and charter problems Daniel Senie
- Re: ISMS working group and charter problems Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: ISMS working group and charter problems Sam Hartman
- Re: ISMS working group and charter problems Eliot Lear
- Re: ISMS working group and charter problems Eliot Lear
- Re: ISMS working group and charter problems Sam Hartman
- Re: ISMS working group and charter problems Steven M. Bellovin
- Re: ISMS working group and charter problems Pekka Savola
- Re: ISMS working group and charter problems Dave Crocker
- Re: ISMS working group and charter problems Eliot Lear
- Re: ISMS working group and charter problems Dave Crocker
- Re: ISMS working group and charter problems Iljitsch van Beijnum
- RE: ISMS working group and charter problems Thomas Gal
- RE: ISMS working group and charter problems Daniel Senie
- Re: ISMS working group and charter problems Steven M. Bellovin
- Re: ISMS working group and charter problems Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: ISMS working group and charter problems Steven M. Bellovin
- Re: ISMS working group and charter problems Steven M. Bellovin
- Re: ISMS working group and charter problems Iljitsch van Beijnum
- RE: ISMS working group and charter problems Thomas Gal
- Re: ISMS working group and charter problems Steven M. Bellovin
- Re: ISMS working group and charter problems Randy Presuhn
- Re: ISMS working group and charter problems Eliot Lear
- Re: ISMS working group and charter problems Eliot Lear
- Re: ISMS working group and charter problems Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- Re: ISMS working group and charter problems Dave Singer
- Re: ISMS working group and charter problems Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: ISMS working group and charter problems Brian E Carpenter
- Re: ISMS working group and charter problems Juergen Quittek
- Re: ISMS working group and charter problems Jari Arkko
- Re: ISMS working group and charter problems Juergen Quittek
- Re: ISMS working group and charter problems Jari Arkko
- Firewall considerations (Re: ISMS working group a… Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- Re: ISMS working group and charter problems Melinda Shore
- Re: ISMS working group and charter problems Margaret Wasserman
- Re: ISMS working group and charter problems Margaret Wasserman
- Re: ISMS working group and charter problems Michael Thomas
- Re: ISMS working group and charter problems Margaret Wasserman
- Confusion about ISMS rechartering Sam Hartman
- Re: Confusion about ISMS rechartering Dave Crocker
- RE: ISMS working group and charter problems Fleischman, Eric
- RE: ISMS working group and charter problems Fleischman, Eric
- RE: ISMS working group and charter problems Margaret Wasserman
- RE: ISMS working group and charter problems Fleischman, Eric
- Re: ISMS working group and charter problems Spencer Dawkins
- Re: ISMS working group and charter problems Michael Thomas
- Re: ISMS working group and charter problems Sam Hartman
- Re: ISMS working group and charter problems Juergen Quittek
- Re: ISMS working group and charter problems Daniel Senie
- RE: ISMS working group and charter problems Nelson, David
- Re: ISMS working group and charter problems Tom Petch
- Fwd: ISMS working group and charter problems Rich Morin
- Re: ISMS working group and charter problems Eliot Lear
- Re: ISMS working group and charter problems Eliot Lear
- Re: ISMS working group and charter problems Wes Hardaker
- ISMS working group and charter problems Brent Chapman