Re: ISMS working group and charter problems
Daniel Senie <dts@senie.com> Tue, 06 September 2005 18:21 UTC
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Subject: Re: ISMS working group and charter problems
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At 02:00 PM 9/6/2005, Dave Crocker wrote: >Eliot, > >>I need your help to correct for an impending mistake by the ISMS >>working group in the IETF. > > >Your note is clear and logical, and seems quite compelling. > >Is there any chance of getting a proponent of the working group's >decision to post a defense? > >(By the way, I am awestruck at the potential impact of changing SNMP >from UDP-based to TCP-based, given the extensive debates that took >place about this when SNMP was originally developed. Has THIS >decision been subject to adequate external review, preferably >including a pass by the IAB?) I agree the argument is well laid out, and would be interested in hearing the thinking of ISMS in response. I'm more than a bit concerned, however, when folks start talking about solutions that will permit things to pass through firewalls without configuration. Those in charge of firewalls are often purposely setting policy. If there is a perceived need for a policy that prevents SNMP traffic, then it should remain possible for the administrator of that network element to make that call. I must say I have some concern with overlaying SNMP on SSH, since that precludes the firewall knowing whether the traffic is general SSH keyboard traffic or network management. Let's hear more about the thinking involved. _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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- Re: ISMS working group and charter problems Daniel Senie
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- Re: ISMS working group and charter problems Sam Hartman
- Re: ISMS working group and charter problems Eliot Lear
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- Re: ISMS working group and charter problems Sam Hartman
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- Re: ISMS working group and charter problems Dave Crocker
- Re: ISMS working group and charter problems Eliot Lear
- Re: ISMS working group and charter problems Dave Crocker
- Re: ISMS working group and charter problems Iljitsch van Beijnum
- RE: ISMS working group and charter problems Thomas Gal
- RE: ISMS working group and charter problems Daniel Senie
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- Re: ISMS working group and charter problems Iljitsch van Beijnum
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