Confusion about ISMS rechartering
Sam Hartman <hartmans-ietf@mit.edu> Wed, 07 September 2005 16:44 UTC
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Subject: Confusion about ISMS rechartering
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>>>>> "Dave" == Dave Crocker <dhc2@dcrocker.net> writes: >> Certainly one of the reasons I requested IETF-wide review for >> the ISMS recharter is so that decisions like this can be >> reviewed by the community. The IAB gets to see charters at >> about the same time as the IESG does; they have sent no >> negative comments to this charter. Dave> Sam, I've tried to search the ietf-announce archives, Dave> google, etc. for any sort of announcements, outside of the Dave> isms working group, concerning the draft re-chartering text Dave> for isms. Unfortunately I have not been able to find it, so Dave> I do not know what request of yours you are referring to. There's a bit of a lag from the IESG's decision to send a charter out for review and the actual announcement of the charter text. The IESg requested review of the charter at last Thursday's telechat; Eliot was reacting to that but wanted to get discussion started without waiting for the formal announcement to ietf-announcce. I agree that Eliot's concerns do not need to wait for a formal message to ietf-announce before we consider them. Dave> In any event, I think the significance of Eliot's (and Steve Dave> Bellovin's) postings have less to do with a chartering event Dave> and more to do with decisions made DURING a working group's Dave> normal activities. In particular, when a working group gets Dave> to the point of making a decision that has broad Dave> architectural or operational impact, it is the expertise of Dave> ADs, IAB members, and other senior participants, that can Dave> serve to raise a question to the larger community, exactly Dave> as Eliot is now doing. I actually disagree with you in this instance but agree that what you are talking about can and does happen. In this instance, the whole point of the charter was to reach a direction within the working group that has broad architectural impact and then to review that decision with the community. So, I think Eliot and Steve's concerns are directly tied to the chartering event. --Sam _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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