Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for last-call discussions

Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> Thu, 12 September 2019 17:07 UTC

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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 10:06:30 -0700
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Subject: Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for last-call discussions
To: Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org>
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+1. This seems like a great idea.

-Ekr


On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 9:14 AM Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org>; wrote:

> As we discussed in the plenary session at IETF 105 in Montréal, some
> community members have suggested moving document last-call discussions
> onto a dedicated "last-call" mailing list, and off of the general
> <ietf@ietf.org>; list.  The latter is a high-volume list with a lot of
> varied discussion, and some think that it would be useful to separate
> the general discussion from the last-call discussion, to allow people
> to choose which discussions (or both) to follow.  In the IETF 105
> plenary, support was expressed for that separation.
>
> The IESG agrees, and wants to try an experiment to that end.  We
> propose to create <last-call@ietf.org>; and to direct last-call
> comments and discussions there (the last-call announcements would
> still go to <ietf-announce@ietf.org>;, with "reply-to" set to the new
> list).  That list would be monitored by volunteers recruited by the
> IETF Chair, and digressions would be nudged back to <ietf@ietf.org>;,
> while we would ask people having last-call discussions on this list to
> please move them to the new list.  We would get the tools team
> involved so that the distribution lists for directorate and
> review-team reviews would be updated appropriately.
>
> Our plan is to create the new list and pre-subscribe everyone who is
> subscribed to <ietf@ietf.org>; at that time.  Of course, anyone could
> unsubscribe to either or both lists immediately or later, but we think
> that doing it this way would minimize the likelihood that people would
> miss important stuff because of the move, and folks can choose what
> they prefer from there.
>
> After six months, we would do an initial evaluation, including getting
> feedback from the community, to see how the experiment is working.  If
> it seems worth continuing we would do so, and at a point that the
> community decides that the experiment is a success (should it so
> decide), we would start an update to BCP 45 to formally move the
> location for last-call discussions, and we would update the 2007 IESG
> Statement on Last Call Guidance.
>
> We invite comments, here, on this plan, by the end of September. As I
> say above, we've heard support from the community for the general
> idea, and we'd like to make sure this direction is what the community
> wants.
>
> Barry, for the IESG
>
>