Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for last-call discussions

tom petch <daedulus@btconnect.com> Sat, 14 March 2020 15:55 UTC

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From: "tom petch" <daedulus@btconnect.com>
To: "Benjamin Kaduk" <kaduk@mit.edu>, "7riw77@gmail.com" <7riw77@gmail.com>
Cc: "'Robert Sparks'" <rjsparks@nostrum.com>, "ietf@ietf.org" <ietf@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for last-call discussions
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---- Original Message -----
From: Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@mit.edu>
Sent: 13/03/2020 21:33:51
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On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 05:30:26PM -0400, 7riw77@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> > Now I am totally confused.  I miss Last Call announcements precisely because
> > there are hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of posts to ietf-announce at
> > times like last weekend when the submission window is about to close.
> 
> This is problem I face on a regular basis as well... I've tried to sort out the last calls based on the contents of the email, but it would be more convenient  if there were a separate list, I think (?).

It's entirely possible I have different calibration for email volume than
many people, but just to check: we're talking about the number of emails
being too much on ietf-announce@ietf.org, not i-d-announce@ietf.org?
I agree that the latter is indeed quite a lot...
<tp>
Ah yes, I am conflating the two, wh;ich I am because I use the same e-mail address for both and have lost my ability to filter out what I want from the noise (and the web interface is dire).  So yes, I drown in the announcements of I-D and miss the IESG announcements of Last Call, tom petch

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