Re: [DNSOP] Last Call: <draft-ietf-dnsop-onion-tld-00.txt> (The .onion Special-Use Domain Name) to Proposed Standard

"Joe Hildebrand" <hildjj@cursive.net> Wed, 15 July 2015 22:44 UTC

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From: Joe Hildebrand <hildjj@cursive.net>
To: David Conrad <drc@virtualized.org>
Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Last Call: <draft-ietf-dnsop-onion-tld-00.txt> (The .onion Special-Use Domain Name) to Proposed Standard
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On 15 Jul 2015, at 5:37, David Conrad wrote:

> I try to be pragmatic. Given I do not believe that refusing to put 
> ONION in the special names registry will stop the use of .ONION, the 
> size of the installed base of TOR implementations, and the 
> implications of the use of that string in certificates, I supporting 
> moving ONION to the special names registry.  I really (really) wish 
> there was more concrete, objective metrics (e.g., size of installed 
> base or some such), but my gut feeling is that TOR is pretty well 
> deployed and given the CAB Forum stuff, I see no particular reason to 
> delay (after all, it's not like the deployed base of TOR is likely to 
> get smaller).

I don't see any mention of the CAB Forum stuff in the draft.  Has anyone 
done the analysis to see if CAB Forum members really will issue certs to 
.onion addresses if we do this?  Do they issue certs for .example or 
.local today?

If certificate issuance is one of the key drivers for this work, there 
needs to be information in the draft that shows that this approach will 
work.

-- 
Joe Hildebrand