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"Bless, Roland (TM)" <roland.bless@kit.edu> Thu, 17 September 2020 14:34 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Int-area] IPv10 draft (was Re: FW: [v6ops] v6ops - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 109 - IPv10)
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Hi,

Am 17.09.20 um 16:13 schrieb Khaled Omar:
>>> No, most of the feedback you received was to explain why it is a bad idea from the beginning and why your premises, your reasoning and your conclusion are all false.
> 
> Why it is a bad idea ?????!!!!!

Because it is contradictory in itself. Your drafts speaks of
IPv4- and IPv6-only hosts, but your solution requires them to
use and implement the IPv10/IPmix format, too.

> IPv6 requires updating and migration.
> IPv10 requires only updating.

Yes, and everything: hosts and routers.
Not simpler than for IPv6.

> IPv6 took so long time.
> IPv10 will take short time.

Nope, that is a wish, since the complexity would be the same.

> IPv6 is a new address structure.
> IPv10 is a solution only.

IPV10 also defines a new address format.

> Other transitioning techniques requires so much translations and involvement of the DNS in the communication process.
> IPv10 doesn't requires neither.

Because everything is IPv10-capable...

> Other transitioning techniques requires training.
> IPv10 requires no training. 

I agree with Stephane and repeat excerpts of my message from 2017 here:
>> - Your IPv10 proposal doesn't solve the IPv6 deployment problems, you
>>   basically get an additional IPv10 deployment problem.
>> - IPv10 doesn't allow an IPv6-only host to communicate to an IPv4-only
>>   host and vice versa as stated in the I-D. Hint: an IPv4-only host
>>   has got no idea what an IPv6 address is, let alone an "IPv10 address".
>> - As others already pointed out: the proposal is technically flawed
>>   and does not work.
>> ...>> Repeating this over and over again does not work. IMHO you only can
>> move forward with a _technically sound_ proposal, otherwise many
>> people will regard it as waste of time.

https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/int-area/oLszaOAMS5OgSxM0ECKwo-ClYDE/

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer@nic.fr> 
> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 4:08 PM
> To: Khaled Omar <eng.khaled.omar@outlook.com>
> Cc: Eric Vyncke (evyncke) <evyncke@cisco.com>; int-area <int-area@ietf.org>; intarea-chairs@ietf.org; Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
> Subject: Re: [Int-area] IPv10 draft (was Re: FW: [v6ops] v6ops - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 109 - IPv10)
> 
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 01:58:21PM +0000,  Khaled Omar <eng.khaled.omar@outlook.com> wrote  a message of 122 lines which said:
> 
>> Most of the feedbacks I got are related to changing the draft name 
>> from IPv10 to any other name.
> 
> No, most of the feedback you received was to explain why it is a bad idea from the beginning and why your premises, your reasoning and your conclusion are all false.
> 
> No need to spend meeting time on it.

Regards
 Roland

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