Re: [Int-area] IPv10 draft (was Re: FW: [v6ops] v6ops - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 109 - IPv10)

[Khaled Omar <[e-mail]>]

>> I'm really too busy those days to keep going on with a thread that has been there for years and it looks like you prefer not to understand that the networks already took their decision about the right direction.

I'm not forcing you to answer my questions, calm down, don't be rude as u said.

Khaled Omar

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From: Int-area <[e-mail]> On Behalf Of JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 8:26 PM
To: int-area <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [Int-area] IPv10 draft (was Re: FW: [v6ops] v6ops - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 109 - IPv10)

That's what you think, but is incorrect, your full view of the situation is wrong. IPv6 is done. There is no need for something else.

I don't want to be rude, but this is not the place for training or convincing people.

(If you need a training, we are happy to quote it to you, do a pilot in your network, deploy it, etc.)

I'm really too busy those days to keep going on with a thread that has been there for years and it looks like you prefer not to understand that the networks already took their decision about the right direction.

Regards,
Jordi
@jordipalet
 
 

El 17/9/20 20:14, "Int-area en nombre de Khaled Omar" <[e-mail] en nombre de [e-mail]> escribió:

    Jordi, I'm not asking who are using it, I'm asking that the left side host is IPv6-only, in 464Xlat, how the communication works?

    Using DNS64/NAT64 yes, 6 to 4 can happen, but 4 to 6 cannot happen.

    But with 464Xlat , how it works?

    Regards,

    Khaled Omar

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    Because the PLAT, which is a NAT64 do that.

    As it has been said before, there are thousands of hundreds of millions of subscribers doing that already, some of them started doing that several years ago (example T-Mobile in US). Look at the deployments in India and China for cases in other regions, not to forget European ISPs, some in Africa and some in LAC.

    I'm building a network (I can't yet disclose de details) in your region, for 25 millions subscribers using the same model, just slowed down because the Covid-19.

    Regards,
    Jordi
    @jordipalet



    El 17/9/20 20:03, "Int-area en nombre de Khaled Omar" <[e-mail] en nombre de [e-mail]> escribió:

        So in this scenario:

                A                                                                                                   B
        IPv6-ONLY -------- CLAT ---------- ISP ------------ PLAT ---------- IPv4-Only

        How can A communicate to B ? 

        Regards,

        Khaled Omar

        -----Original Message-----
        From: Int-area <[e-mail]> On Behalf Of JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
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        Subject: Re: [Int-area] IPv10 draft (was Re: FW: [v6ops] v6ops - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 109 - IPv10)

        Yes, it does.

        Actually, just NAT64 alone (with DNS64) can do that.

        464XLAT can do that even without DNS64.

        Regards,
        Jordi
        @jordipalet



        El 17/9/20 19:58, "Int-area en nombre de Khaled Omar" <[e-mail] en nombre de [e-mail]> escribió:

            Excuse me, 464Xlat supports IPv6-ONLY to IPv4-Only communication?

            Khaled Omar

            -----Original Message-----
            From: Mikael Abrahamsson <[e-mail]> 
            Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 6:03 PM
            To: Khaled Omar <[e-mail]>
            Cc: Tom Herbert <[e-mail]>; int-area <[e-mail]>
            Subject: RE: [Int-area] IPv10 draft (was Re: FW: [v6ops] v6ops - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 109 - IPv10)

            On Thu, 17 Sep 2020, Khaled Omar wrote:

            > What about those who will have IPv6-only?! What will they do ?! Isn't this enough to convince you about the problem?

            We have multiple solutions to that already. NAT64+464XLAT is one. It's already used by hundreds of millions of mobile devices around the world.

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            Mikael Abrahamsson    email: [e-mail]

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