Re: SIP now IPv6
Dave Crocker <dcrocker@mordor.stanford.edu> Sun, 27 December 1992 22:28 UTC
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To: Steve Deering <deering@parc.xerox.com>
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Subject: Re: SIP now IPv6
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On the question of urgency... There always is a challenge to balance between worst-case and best-case scenarios. If you only plan for the former, you waste much effort, etc., since the world (usually) doesn't turn out all that bad all that often. If you only plan for best-case situations, however, you can lose everything, since you WILL be caught short some of the time. By any reasonable measure, IP address space (network numbers, router table size, etc.) involves very, very critical resources and hitting a real operational wall with any of them would likely bring down the Internet, cause it to lose its potential for truly mass market use, or otherwise do a great deal of damage. CIDR is the most immediate effort to fix the most immediate and real problem, namely router table size. However, its real benefits only accrue from careful assignment of NEW network numbers (and/or re-assignment of old ones.) With luck, careful coordination, etc., it will fix the immediate table size problem. But we are relying rather heavily on this, with no backup plan in our hip pocket. In project management of critical activities, hip pocket plans are essential. And we don't have one. Not one. We have ideas, hopes, and hand-waves. But no plans. Worse, there is the matter of network numbers. A best-case scenario says we have no problems for 10, 30, or somesuch years. A worst-case scenario says we run out next year. (Really. It does.) CIDR does nothing about this latter, potential problem. A moderate scenario says that we well might run out in 5 years. (Exercise for the reader: Figure out the number of network numbers we need if the Personal Digital Assistants all start using wireless TCP.) 5 years ain't that long. Worse, good project management says we need to build in some buffer. So, 5 years really is about 4 or 3. So now we have about 3 years to FULLY field a larger address space replacement for IP. And this assumes that CIDR is handling the immediate problem adequately. (Sure hope it does.) Folks, given the degree of administrative complexity in the Internet and the difficulty of standardizing and deploying a massive new infratstructure, I strongly suggest that we damn well SHOULD view the current situation with considerable urgency. 3 years is a very, very short time. Dave
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