Re: 64share v2

Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se> Tue, 10 November 2020 12:29 UTC

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From: Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se>
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Subject: Re: 64share v2
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On Tue, 10 Nov 2020, otroan@employees.org wrote:

> But you see the difference right?
> RA configuration tied to link state. PD assignment not.
>
> Obviously both can be misconfigured. But as I think we have experienced. Getting the defaults correct, both in standards, implementations and understanding is important.

I've experienced internet connections where the PPPoE session was 
forcefully bounced by ISP once per 24 hours and you received a new DHCP 
based address when it came up again. True for both IPv4 and IPv6.

So it makes no difference to me. In real world, neither RA or DHCP based 
methods keep their promise (valid/lifetimes) and they can both be forced 
to be tied to a link state.

It's all up to what the receiver is configured to do about this 
information, and we're already trying to figure out how RA/DHCP should be 
tied together. If someone says "ships in the dark" again I don't know what 
to say, operationally they shouldn't be.

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Mikael Abrahamsson    email: swmike@swm.pp.se