RE: [Ltru] Re: Remove extlang from ABNF?
Shawn Steele <Shawn.Steele@microsoft.com> Thu, 06 December 2007 08:40 UTC
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From: Shawn Steele <Shawn.Steele@microsoft.com>
To: Martin Duerst <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp>, Addison Phillips <addison@yahoo-inc.com>, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 00:40:44 -0800
Subject: RE: [Ltru] Re: Remove extlang from ABNF?
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> >language = (2*3ALPHA [ extlang ]) ; shortest ISO 639 code > > / 4ALPHA ; reserved for future use > > / 5*8ALPHA ; registered language subtag > > > >extlang = *3("-" 3ALPHA) ; OBSOLETE (do not use) > <chair hat off> > I would be okay with this, with some explaining text. What do we expect OBSOLETE to do? Ok, I get that I shouldn't use the obsolete tag to encode new data, but are applications expected to recognize such obsolete tags, even if they weren't ever valid? If applications aren't expected to recognize them, then why declare it formally? Why not just say in the prose that there use to be such an extlang thought, but its obsolete? If someone reading RFC3066bis is really curious they could look at RFC3066 and see what the original idea was. My concern is that if a developer/spec writer/tester is reading this they might feel that its best to go ahead and decide to recognize these in case any of these obsolete tags are encountered. That could require a considerable expense depending on the depth of the effort. If it were clear that none have ever been registered or legally allowed, and it was obsoleted before it was ever implemented, then the hypothetical development team could save that expense and effort. - Shawn _______________________________________________ Ltru mailing list Ltru@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru
- [Ltru] summary of recommendations coming out of t… Peter Constable
- Re: [Ltru] summary of recommendations coming out … Addison Phillips
- [Ltru] Remove extlang from ABNF? (Was: summary of… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- [Ltru] RE: Remove extlang from ABNF? (Was: summar… Peter Constable
- Re: [Ltru] RE: Remove extlang from ABNF? (Was: su… Felix Sasaki
- RE: [Ltru] RE: Remove extlang from ABNF? Kent Karlsson
- [Ltru] Re: Remove extlang from ABNF? Stephane Bortzmeyer
- [Ltru] Re: Remove extlang from ABNF? Frank Ellermann
- [Ltru] Re: Remove extlang from ABNF? Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Remove extlang from ABNF? Ira McDonald
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Remove extlang from ABNF? John Cowan
- RE: [Ltru] Re: Remove extlang from ABNF? Shawn Steele
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Remove extlang from ABNF? John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Remove extlang from ABNF? Addison Phillips
- RE: [Ltru] Re: Remove extlang from ABNF? Shawn Steele
- [Ltru] Re: Remove extlang from ABNF? Frank Ellermann
- [Ltru] Re: Remove extlang from ABNF? Frank Ellermann
- RE: [Ltru] Re: Remove extlang from ABNF? Felix Sasaki
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Remove extlang from ABNF? Ira McDonald
- [Ltru] Re: Remove extlang from ABNF? Frank Ellermann
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Remove extlang from ABNF? Felix Sasaki
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Remove extlang from ABNF? Mark Davis
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Remove extlang from ABNF? John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Remove extlang from ABNF? Felix Sasaki
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Remove extlang from ABNF? Mark Davis
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Remove extlang from ABNF? Mark Davis
- [Ltru] Re: Remove extlang from ABNF? Frank Ellermann
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Remove extlang from ABNF? John Cowan
- [Ltru] Re: Remove extlang from ABNF? Frank Ellermann
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Remove extlang from ABNF? Felix Sasaki
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Remove extlang from ABNF? Felix Sasaki
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Remove extlang from ABNF? Addison Phillips
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Remove extlang from ABNF? Mark Davis
- RE: [Ltru] Re: Remove extlang from ABNF? Peter Constable
- RE: [Ltru] Re: Remove extlang from ABNF? Peter Constable
- [Ltru] Re: Remove extlang from ABNF? Frank Ellermann
- RE: [Ltru] Re: Remove extlang from ABNF? Peter Constable
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Remove extlang from ABNF? Felix Sasaki
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Remove extlang from ABNF? Felix Sasaki
- RE: [Ltru] Re: Remove extlang from ABNF? Peter Constable
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Remove extlang from ABNF? Felix Sasaki
- RE: [Ltru] Re: Remove extlang from ABNF? Shawn Steele
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Remove extlang from ABNF? Ira McDonald
- RE: [Ltru] Re: Remove extlang from ABNF? Peter Constable
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Remove extlang from ABNF? Addison Phillips
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Remove extlang from ABNF? Mark Davis
- [Ltru] Re: Remove extlang from ABNF? Frank Ellermann
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Remove extlang from ABNF? Martin Duerst
- Re: [Ltru] RE: Remove extlang from ABNF? (Was: su… Martin Duerst
- RE: [Ltru] Re: Remove extlang from ABNF? Shawn Steele
- RE: [Ltru] Re: Remove extlang from ABNF? Peter Constable
- RE: [Ltru] Re: Remove extlang from ABNF? Peter Constable
- [Ltru] Re: Remove extlang from ABNF? Frank Ellermann
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Remove extlang from ABNF? Marion Gunn