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Re: [Manycouches] many-fine-dinners --- a view on how to organize virtual meetings

Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Wed, 25 November 2020 22:59 UTC

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To: Vittorio Bertola <vittorio.bertola@open-xchange.com>, "manycouches@ietf.org" <manycouches@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [Manycouches] many-fine-dinners --- a view on how to organize virtual meetings
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Vittorio Bertola <vittorio.bertola@open-xchange.com> wrote:
    >> Il 23/11/2020 04:47 Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> ha scritto:
    >>
    >> I was mostly successful in managing my time zones, but I couldn't stay awake
    >> past 1400UTC (9AM), having gotten up around 2000UTC (3PM) the previous day.
    >> Friday, I knew I was going to be a write-off, and it was.
    >> Maybe I should have found a hotel room.  Saturday was also mostly a write-off.
    >>
    >> I'm sure that I'm not the only one who needed recovery time after this "travel"
    >> The question is: how can we, when we write the schedule, make this really
    >> clear to managers?  (many of whom probably didn't notice the "UTC" on the schedule)

    > I don't think you can change the perception of the time commitment just
    > by mangling the appearance of the schedule - either the people around
    > you get it, ot they don't.  Unfortunately, for physical meetings in
    > remote locations, everyone understands that travel and jetlag recovery
    > time is necessary, but it's not the same if you stay home and "only"
    > wake up and go to sleep at "weird" times.

Yes, so we really really need to fix this expectation from employers that
remote meetings are not travel.

    > In my case, the IETF meeting happened 6am-noon every day; this involved
    > a very early wakeup, but in no way it would allow me not to work until
    > 6pm as usual (even later if necessary), not to have dinner at home at
    > "regular" times, and so on.  Last Monday, for example, I was booked as
    > a panelist in a session of the U.N. Internet Governance Forum (which
    > was held in parallel in CET) scheduled at 6:20-7:30pm my time.

I'm sorry to hear of that experience.

    > So, basically, "remote IETF" just meant up-to-14-hour-long working
    > days, definitely less productive than usual, for a week - and I don't
    > see any easy way to avoid this, except getting back to physical
    > meetings.

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