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Re: [Manycouches] many-fine-dinners --- a view on how to organize virtual meetings

Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Sat, 28 November 2020 08:16 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Manycouches] many-fine-dinners --- a view on how to organize virtual meetings
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Martin Duke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com> wrote:
    > Alright, I'll try again.

    > I think you're arguing for fewer meetings in IETF week and more interims.

    > Interims tend to be scheduled at a time most convenient for the key
    > participants, which discourages tourism and marginalizes non-key
    > participants.

    > There's a time when that's OK, and the interim procedures exist for this
    > reason.

    > However, I think the balance today between interim and non-interim is about
    > right.

Something that I'd like to push back on is status reports.

In PARTICULAR I was asked to do status slides for some WGs where we'd had a
recent virtual interim at which the status was already reported, and really the
slides were identical.

At some level this is basically accomodating tourists who were not reading
the ML.  A another level, this is accomodating those who won't get travel
authorization unless they are presenting.
I don't mind some of this at in-person meetings, but it seems redundant at a
virtual meeting.

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