Re: [Manycouches] many-fine-dinners --- a view on how to organize virtual meetings

Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Wed, 25 November 2020 23:07 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Manycouches] many-fine-dinners --- a view on how to organize virtual meetings
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Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> wrote:
    > On 23/11/2020 03:47, Michael Richardson wrote:
    >> Friday, I knew I was going to be a write-off, and it was.

    > Adding to the anecdata: this meeting's TZ was pretty bad
    > for me, so after 3 days, I more or less had to take Thu
    > off, but was ok Fri.

    > That might suggest that the number of consecutive days
    > of out-of-TZ meetings is a factor to consider. I don't
    > have any simple idea of how to handle that, but it's a
    > difference vs. f2f meetings, and might be impactful if
    > or when we get back to a partial-f2f/lots-of-remotes
    > meeting.

The IETF used to have opening (monday 9am) and closing (thursday afternoon)
plenaries.  A long time ago.  We killed them pretty soon after I started.

I found that the end of the meeting on Friday after the last session rather
anti-climatic!  Just "click" we are done.

I was thinking about whether one way to build in some personal recovery time
into the schedule would be to plan a closing plenary on day six.
Basically an event that many people might skip, but don't feel obliged to
tell your boss that!  I didn't write that down because I didn't think such a
thing would go well.

With a f2f meeting, many of us sort of mope about the hotel bar after we
checkout Friday morning.  Often we don't have flights until a few hours
later, sometimes Friday at 22:00 or something.

It's basically semi-social rest time.
Then that worst case ~30 hour flight home.

. o O {If you aren't on a 30hr flight home, then you didn't change that many time
zones, so maybe you don't need that much recovery...}

(I'm told the IESG often has a meeting then. Did they this week?)


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