Re: [Manycouches] many-fine-dinners --- a view on how to organize virtual meetings

[Alexandre Petrescu <[e-mail]>]

Le 25/11/2020 à 17:15, Behcet Sarikaya a écrit :
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> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 4:36 PM Alexandre Petrescu 
> <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
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>     Le 23/11/2020 à 12:18, Vittorio Bertola a écrit :
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>      >> Il 23/11/2020 04:47 Michael Richardson <[e-mail]
>     <mailto:[e-mail]>> ha
>      >> scritto:
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>     [...]
>      > and I don't see any easy way to avoid this, except getting back to
>      > physical meetings.
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>     I agree and f2f meetings will be back some day.
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>     But I want to mention that, for me, even at f2f IETF meetings I had to
>     wake up at night or so to keep up remotely with meetings at my origin
>     place.
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>     Overall, for me, after trying entirely remote experiences and entirely
>     f2f experiences, I think the IETF meeting is very consuming.  This
>     exhaustion is independent of being remote or f2f.  I need one week
>     recovery after the meeting even if it was a virtual meeting.
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>     That is a good point, IMHO, about virtual meetings.  It means, for me,
>     that virtual meetings might be as effective as the f2f.  Or at least it
>     means that the effort spent is the same.
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>     On another hand, I can say that during the f2f meetings I was doing
>     much
>     more exercising than during the virtual meetings.  I did lots of
>     additional walking during f2fs but zero exercising during virtual
>     meetings.  Now the next WG meeting is a click away, not steps away.
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>     Moreover, we had an email list ietf-runners that did see some activity
>     during f2f meetings.  But zero activity when IETF is virtual.
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>     During the virtual meetings, some people did use the expression of
>     getting in the pink box, but that was just an image.  If we had a sort
>     of a conveyor belt (tapis roulant, fr.) to walk on, or even to stand
>     on,
>     before taking the mic, maybe it would be good.)
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> I agree with you
> but exercising is not in scope, Alex.

Clarification - I did not mean to put exercise in scope.  Maybe 
'standing' is a possibility - if one wants to speak then one could stand 
to be better seen.  Standing in a pink box is not good, because 
constrained; but standing when talking might be good.  Standing when 
talking might be easily reproducible in a remote manner.

I meant to say that in order to make virtual meetings more accommodating 
it would be good to make them approach as much as possible the way in 
which real meetings happen.

i think there are many ingredients to achieve that, and not necessarily 
exercising.

There are other ways, such as a requirement to send the videos of all 
permanently.  In a f2f meeting everyone is visible to everyone else.

Tele-presence in the form of holography is probably an ideal 
implementation, but we are not there yet.

Alex

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> Behcet
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>     Alex
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