Re: [OAUTH-WG] problem statement

I would ask the chairs to keep personal attacks in check.

Thank you.

Mike

On 09/07/2011 12:23 PM, Aiden Bell wrote:
> I'm gonna ditch the (lengthy) reply I was drafting and agree with the 
> below.
>
> Personally, my communication with the OAuth WG has been spot on. Warm 
> welcome, open minds
> and a very good process to getting my requirements/concerns heard and 
> pragmatic change enacted.
>
> All I saw here was foot stomping and a counter-productive approach to 
> communicating by those
> not getting their way.
>
> On 7 September 2011 20:12, Eran Hammer-Lahav <eran@hueniverse.com 
> <mailto:eran@hueniverse.com>> wrote:
>
>     Michael,
>
>     I suggest you go back and read the entire thread again:
>
>     http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/oauth/current/maillist.html
>
>     I don't think you have been listening to the 11 (!) people who all
>     completely disagree with you and dismiss your suggestions (on
>     technical grounds). The one person who supported your plea didn't
>     actually make any technical contribution.
>
>     If anyone wants to make accusations about behaving like adults,
>     that should be the 11 people who tried to explain why you are
>     simply wrong and were completely ignored by you. Any perceived
>     hostility is easily justified by having to explain the same thing
>     over and over again to someone who refuses to list and insists on
>     labeling this work as lacking and insecure. We take real security
>     pretty seriously here.
>
>     You asked a question as someone "very new to thinking about this
>     problem space" and was answered by experts. The fact that you
>     refuse to accept their answers is while being , at this point,
>     your problem. You were given multiple opportunities to present an
>     alternative text and technical justification to support it, but
>     refused to do so.
>
>     You might not like my tone, but I consider making a statement like
>     this:
>
>     > In fact, you guys have convinced me that OAuth gives inferior
>     protection at
>     > considerable expense for all concerned.
>
>     an irresponsible and serious offense - the kind of baseless FUD
>     that can cause real damage to important work.
>
>     EHL
>
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