Re: [Pearg] Proposed virtual interim on IP address privacy

Matthew Finkel <sysrqb@torproject.org> Mon, 16 November 2020 23:51 UTC

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2020 23:50:28 +0000
From: Matthew Finkel <sysrqb@torproject.org>
To: Christopher Wood <caw@heapingbits.net>, Brad Lassey <lassey=40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
Cc: Chelsea Komlo <chelsea.komlo@gmail.com>, Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com>, Dimitris Theodorakis <dth@whiteops.com>, pearg@irtf.org
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Subject: Re: [Pearg] Proposed virtual interim on IP address privacy
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Hi Chris, everyone,

Someone from Tor (probably me) will be very willing to be included in
this and present Tor as an existing, deployed system that provides IP
address privacy.

I can be a point of contact for now, and I'll talk with other Tor
people in case someone else wants to present instead.

Thanks for organizing this.

Matt

On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 11:17:42AM -0500, Brad Lassey wrote:
> Dimitris from Whiteops has expressed interest in participating as well.
> 
> -Brad
> 
> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 11:06 AM Chelsea Komlo <chelsea.komlo@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Chris,
> >
> > I recommend that someone from Tor be invited to give a talk on how the
> > privacy properties provided by tools like Tor differ from some of the other
> > mechanisms presented (like VPNs or willful IP blindness).
> >
> > Chelsea
> >
> > On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 7:40 AM Brad Lassey <lassey=
> > 40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
> >
> >> I'd very much be interested in attending as well as presenting on Willful
> >> IP Blindness.
> >>
> >> -Brad
> >>
> >> On Fri, Nov 13, 2020, 3:08 PM Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi, Chris,
> >>>
> >>> Some of us have done some work in this area. For example:
> >>>
> >>> * RFC7707
> >>> * RFC7721
> >>> * RFC7217
> >>> * RFC8064
> >>> * draft-ietf-6man-rfc4941bis
> >>>
> >>> That said, my comments and questions are:
> >>>
> >>> * I'd be interested in attending
> >>>
> >>> * Is this a meeting to simply to discuss the topic, or do you have any
> >>> proposed work in mind? (if so, what, specifically?  Or is possible
> >>> future work up for discussion?)
> >>>
> >>> * I don't know if the work referenced above is in-topic and of interest.
> >>> If it is, and you think it would make sense to do a presentation to
> >>> provide an overview, I'd be happy to.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks!
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Fernando
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 13/11/20 14:23, Christopher Wood wrote:
> >>> > The PEARG chairs would like to propose a virtual interim on the topic
> >>> of IP address privacy.
> >>> >
> >>> > IP address uses:
> >>> > - Spam, abuse, fraud, DoS protection
> >>> > - Geo IP
> >>> > - Ad targeting
> >>> > - ... others?
> >>> >
> >>> > Privacy attacks:
> >>> > - IP re-identification
> >>> > - IP-based fingerprinting
> >>> >
> >>> > IP hiding or blindness:
> >>> > - VPNs (and related technologies like Firefox Private Network)
> >>> > - Willful IP Blindness (https://github.com/bslassey/ip-blindness)
> >>> >
> >>> > The format of this would be presentation-based, though we might turn
> >>> it into a workshop of sorts if folks think that would be more useful.
> >>> >
> >>> > We are aiming for some time in early December or January. We'd like to
> >>> hear from folks here if they'd be interested in attending such an interim,
> >>> and if so, whether they'd like to contribute to the agenda. Of course,
> >>> suggestions to alter the agenda are also welcome!
> >>> >
> >>> > Best,
> >>> > Chris, on behalf of the chairs
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Fernando Gont
> >>> SI6 Networks
> >>> e-mail: fgont@si6networks.com
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> >>>
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