Re: [Pearg] Proposed virtual interim on IP address privacy

Christian Huitema <huitema@huitema.net> Thu, 26 November 2020 02:42 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Pearg] Proposed virtual interim on IP address privacy
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I am interested too.

On 11/25/2020 12:24 PM, Joey S wrote:
> +1 interested in attending
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> Joey Salazar
> Digital Sr. Programme Officer
> ARTICLE 19
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> On 18-Nov-20 3:43 PM, Philipp Pfeiffenberger wrote:
>> I am also interested in attending, representing YouTube Trust & Safety.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 1:41 PM David Turner <dbturner@google.com 
>> <mailto:dbturner@google.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     + Philipp
>>
>>     On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 11:19 AM Per Bjorke <bjorke@google.com
>>     <mailto:bjorke@google.com>> wrote:
>>
>>         I'm also interesting in attending (I'm on Google's invalid
>>         traffic/ad fraud team together with David Turner).
>>
>>         Thanks.
>>
>>         Per
>>
>>
>>         Per Bjorke | Sr Product Manager, Ad Traffic Quality
>>         |bjorke@google.com <mailto:bjorke@google.com> |650-245-3105
>>
>>
>>         On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 11:10 AM David Turner
>>         <dbturner@google.com <mailto:dbturner@google.com>> wrote:
>>
>>             +Per Bjorke <mailto:bjorke@google.com>
>>
>>             On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 9:01 AM David Turner
>>             <dbturner@google.com <mailto:dbturner@google.com>> wrote:
>>
>>                 I'm also interested in attending and presenting on
>>                 behalf of the Google Ad Traffic Quality team.
>>
>>                 On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 8:59 AM Paul Jensen
>>                 <pauljensen=40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org
>>                 <mailto:40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org>> wrote:
>>
>>                     I'd very much be interested in attending.
>>
>>                     -Paul
>>
>>                     On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 11:18 AM Brad Lassey
>>                     <lassey=40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org
>>                     <mailto:40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org>> wrote:
>>
>>                         Dimitris from Whiteops has expressed interest
>>                         in participating as well.
>>
>>                         -Brad
>>
>>                         On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 11:06 AM Chelsea
>>                         Komlo <chelsea.komlo@gmail.com
>>                         <mailto:chelsea.komlo@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>                             Hi Chris,
>>
>>                             I recommend that someone from Tor be
>>                             invited to give a talk on how the privacy
>>                             properties provided by tools like Tor
>>                             differ from some of the other mechanisms
>>                             presented (like VPNs or willful IP
>>                             blindness).
>>
>>                             Chelsea
>>
>>                             On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 7:40 AM Brad
>>                             Lassey
>>                             <lassey=40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org
>>                             <mailto:40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org>> wrote:
>>
>>                                 I'd very much be interested in
>>                                 attending as well as presenting on
>>                                 Willful IP Blindness.
>>
>>                                 -Brad
>>
>>                                 On Fri, Nov 13, 2020, 3:08 PM
>>                                 Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com
>>                                 <mailto:fgont@si6networks.com>> wrote:
>>
>>                                     Hi, Chris,
>>
>>                                     Some of us have done some work in
>>                                     this area. For example:
>>
>>                                     * RFC7707
>>                                     * RFC7721
>>                                     * RFC7217
>>                                     * RFC8064
>>                                     * draft-ietf-6man-rfc4941bis
>>
>>                                     That said, my comments and
>>                                     questions are:
>>
>>                                     * I'd be interested in attending
>>
>>                                     * Is this a meeting to simply to
>>                                     discuss the topic, or do you have
>>                                     any
>>                                     proposed work in mind? (if so,
>>                                     what, specifically? Or is possible
>>                                     future work up for discussion?)
>>
>>                                     * I don't know if the work
>>                                     referenced above is in-topic and
>>                                     of interest.
>>                                     If it is, and you think it would
>>                                     make sense to do a presentation to
>>                                     provide an overview, I'd be happy to.
>>
>>                                     Thanks!
>>
>>                                     Regards,
>>                                     Fernando
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>                                     On 13/11/20 14:23, Christopher
>>                                     Wood wrote:
>>                                     > The PEARG chairs would like to
>>                                     propose a virtual interim on the
>>                                     topic of IP address privacy.
>>                                     >
>>                                     > IP address uses:
>>                                     > - Spam, abuse, fraud, DoS
>>                                     protection
>>                                     > - Geo IP
>>                                     > - Ad targeting
>>                                     > - ... others?
>>                                     >
>>                                     > Privacy attacks:
>>                                     > - IP re-identification
>>                                     > - IP-based fingerprinting
>>                                     >
>>                                     > IP hiding or blindness:
>>                                     > - VPNs (and related
>>                                     technologies like Firefox Private
>>                                     Network)
>>                                     > - Willful IP Blindness
>>                                     (https://github.com/bslassey/ip-blindness
>>                                     <https://github.com/bslassey/ip-blindness>)
>>                                     >
>>                                     > The format of this would be
>>                                     presentation-based, though we
>>                                     might turn it into a workshop of
>>                                     sorts if folks think that would
>>                                     be more useful.
>>                                     >
>>                                     > We are aiming for some time in
>>                                     early December or January. We'd
>>                                     like to hear from folks here if
>>                                     they'd be interested in attending
>>                                     such an interim, and if so,
>>                                     whether they'd like to contribute
>>                                     to the agenda. Of course,
>>                                     suggestions to alter the agenda
>>                                     are also welcome!
>>                                     >
>>                                     > Best,
>>                                     > Chris, on behalf of the chairs
>>                                     >
>>
>>
>>                                     -- 
>>                                     Fernando Gont
>>                                     SI6 Networks
>>                                     e-mail: fgont@si6networks.com
>>                                     <mailto:fgont@si6networks.com>
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