Re: [Pearg] Proposed virtual interim on IP address privacy

Caleb Raitto <caraitto@chromium.org> Fri, 04 December 2020 19:31 UTC

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From: Caleb Raitto <caraitto@chromium.org>
Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2020 14:31:04 -0500
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I also would like to attend.

-Caleb

On Thu, Nov 26, 2020 at 2:14 AM Corinne Cath <corinnecath@gmail.com> wrote:

> Interested too! corinne
>
> On Thu, Nov 26, 2020 at 5:42 AM Christian Huitema <huitema@huitema.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I am interested too.
>> On 11/25/2020 12:24 PM, Joey S wrote:
>>
>> +1 interested in attending
>>
>> --
>> Joey Salazar
>> Digital Sr. Programme Officer
>> ARTICLE 19
>> 6E9C 95E5 5BED 9413 5D08 55D5 0A40 4136 0DF0 1A91
>>
>> On 18-Nov-20 3:43 PM, Philipp Pfeiffenberger wrote:
>>
>> I am also interested in attending, representing YouTube Trust & Safety.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 1:41 PM David Turner <dbturner@google.com> wrote:
>>
>>> + Philipp
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 11:19 AM Per Bjorke <bjorke@google.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm also interesting in attending (I'm on Google's invalid traffic/ad
>>>> fraud team together with David Turner).
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Per
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Per Bjorke | Sr Product Manager, Ad Traffic Quality | bjorke@google.com
>>>>  | 650-245-3105
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 11:10 AM David Turner <dbturner@google.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> +Per Bjorke <bjorke@google.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 9:01 AM David Turner <dbturner@google.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm also interested in attending and presenting on behalf of the
>>>>>> Google Ad Traffic Quality team.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 8:59 AM Paul Jensen <pauljensen=
>>>>>> 40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd very much be interested in attending.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Paul
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 11:18 AM Brad Lassey <lassey=
>>>>>>> 40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dimitris from Whiteops has expressed interest in participating as
>>>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Brad
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 11:06 AM Chelsea Komlo <
>>>>>>>> chelsea.komlo@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Chris,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I recommend that someone from Tor be invited to give a talk on how
>>>>>>>>> the privacy properties provided by tools like Tor differ from some of the
>>>>>>>>> other mechanisms presented (like VPNs or willful IP blindness).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chelsea
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 7:40 AM Brad Lassey <lassey=
>>>>>>>>> 40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'd very much be interested in attending as well as presenting on
>>>>>>>>>> Willful IP Blindness.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -Brad
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 13, 2020, 3:08 PM Fernando Gont <
>>>>>>>>>> fgont@si6networks.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, Chris,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Some of us have done some work in this area. For example:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> * RFC7707
>>>>>>>>>>> * RFC7721
>>>>>>>>>>> * RFC7217
>>>>>>>>>>> * RFC8064
>>>>>>>>>>> * draft-ietf-6man-rfc4941bis
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That said, my comments and questions are:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> * I'd be interested in attending
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> * Is this a meeting to simply to discuss the topic, or do you
>>>>>>>>>>> have any
>>>>>>>>>>> proposed work in mind? (if so, what, specifically?  Or is
>>>>>>>>>>> possible
>>>>>>>>>>> future work up for discussion?)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> * I don't know if the work referenced above is in-topic and of
>>>>>>>>>>> interest.
>>>>>>>>>>> If it is, and you think it would make sense to do a presentation
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> provide an overview, I'd be happy to.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> Fernando
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/11/20 14:23, Christopher Wood wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> > The PEARG chairs would like to propose a virtual interim on
>>>>>>>>>>> the topic of IP address privacy.
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > IP address uses:
>>>>>>>>>>> > - Spam, abuse, fraud, DoS protection
>>>>>>>>>>> > - Geo IP
>>>>>>>>>>> > - Ad targeting
>>>>>>>>>>> > - ... others?
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > Privacy attacks:
>>>>>>>>>>> > - IP re-identification
>>>>>>>>>>> > - IP-based fingerprinting
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > IP hiding or blindness:
>>>>>>>>>>> > - VPNs (and related technologies like Firefox Private Network)
>>>>>>>>>>> > - Willful IP Blindness (
>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/bslassey/ip-blindness)
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > The format of this would be presentation-based, though we
>>>>>>>>>>> might turn it into a workshop of sorts if folks think that would be more
>>>>>>>>>>> useful.
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > We are aiming for some time in early December or January. We'd
>>>>>>>>>>> like to hear from folks here if they'd be interested in attending such an
>>>>>>>>>>> interim, and if so, whether they'd like to contribute to the agenda. Of
>>>>>>>>>>> course, suggestions to alter the agenda are also welcome!
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > Best,
>>>>>>>>>>> > Chris, on behalf of the chairs
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Fernando Gont
>>>>>>>>>>> SI6 Networks
>>>>>>>>>>> e-mail: fgont@si6networks.com
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>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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