Re: [pm-dir] Performance metrics doctors generated email - new version.

"MORTON JR., ALFRED (AL)" <acmorton@att.com> Tue, 05 March 2013 14:22 UTC

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From: "MORTON JR., ALFRED (AL)" <acmorton@att.com>
To: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" <dromasca@avaya.com>, Yaakov Stein <yaakov_s@rad.com>, "pm-dir@ietf.org" <pm-dir@ietf.org>
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2013 09:22:43 -0500
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Cc: "Alan DeKok (aland@freeradius.org)" <aland@freeradius.org>
Subject: Re: [pm-dir] Performance metrics doctors generated email - new version.
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Hi Dan,

A couple weeks back I posted this:

> > I'd prefer a solution where:
> >   - everyone can view the page
> >   - directorate reviewers can edit the page
> >   - all editing is WYSIWYG
> >   - no collisions between editors
> >    (if two people are editing, they can see each other and
> >     pressing save does not overwrite a nested editing session)
> >
> > Unfortunately, the last two points are beyond Trac's capability.
> > I think that I could create a doc on Google Drive that
> > would meet all the above criteria.

The editing collision aspect is important, because when I
posted the link yesterday, several people viewed the page
anonymously within a few minutes (as owner with the page on
my screen, I could see this). If they had all been 
editing the Wiki Trac page, over-write collisions would be likely.

I established a gmail account to work on a doc with 
Matt Mathis, and I haven't received any spam in that account
as a result of having access to a shared doc or now 
creating a doc. In fact, the only mail I receive is when 
Matt Responds to or Resolves a comment. If you don't use the 
Comment feature, I don't think you'll get any mail at all
related to this page.

Hope this helps, I will share editing with you now.
Al

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) [mailto:dromasca@avaya.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 5:32 AM
> To: MORTON JR., ALFRED (AL); Yaakov Stein; pm-dir@ietf.org
> Cc: Alan DeKok (aland@freeradius.org)
> Subject: RE: [pm-dir] Performance metrics doctors generated email - new
> version.
> 
> Hi Al,
> 
> I am <snip>@gmail.com on Google.
> 
> However, this is an address which I usually use for personal
> communication, and I am not very enthusiastic either about mixing personal
> and professional communications, or about creating another gmail instance
> of myself. So I need to ask - what are the advantages / extra capabilities
> offered by Google Spreadsheet relative to using a wiki page?
> 
> Thanks and Regards,
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pm-dir-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:pm-dir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf
> > Of MORTON JR., ALFRED (AL)
> > Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 5:59 PM
> > To: Yaakov Stein; pm-dir@ietf.org
> > Cc: Alan DeKok (aland@freeradius.org)
> > Subject: Re: [pm-dir] Performance metrics doctors generated email - new
> > version.
> >
> > pm-dir,
> >
> > This weekend, I experimented with preparing a google doc to track drafts
> > and reviews.  I ended-up using a Google Spreadsheet, which seems to be
> > nicely suited to the task and adds features that not possible a static
> > document table. I have just updated the table with the yesterday's
> > script results, adding two new drafts.
> >
> > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmKrqWIOBsprdGZqMnB6dmx5bFJ
> > vVUhta3VLSjl3SkE&usp=sharing
> >
> >
> > "everyone" with the link above should be able to view the sheet.
> >
> > "anyone" in pm-dir who sends me their gmail address (or new address
> > prepared for this purpose) will have the editing rights shared with
> > them, and can volunteer to review drafts, enter status, etc.
> >
> > Hopefully, the words in "quotes" above will be true, subject to testing
> > which begins now.
> >
> > Al
> > your faithful PMDir Admin
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: pm-dir-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:pm-dir-bounces@ietf.org] On
> > > Behalf Of MORTON JR., ALFRED (AL)
> > > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 7:36 AM
> > > To: Yaakov Stein
> > > Cc: pm-dir@ietf.org
> > > Subject: Re: [pm-dir] Performance metrics doctors generated email -
> > > new version.
> > >
> > >
> > > Not Google Tasks (which I haven't investigated), just a Google doc
> > > with the table:
> > > draft-name + reviewer + status + date
> > >
> > > Which all reviewers can edit WYSIWYG
> > > I'll own the doc and share it with the everyone in the directorate
> > > (who actually does reviews :-) ).
> > >
> > > And, that doc won't be ready till after the draft deadline!
> > >
> > > Al
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Yaakov Stein [mailto:yaakov_s@rad.com]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 2:07 AM
> > > > To: MORTON JR., ALFRED (AL)
> > > > Cc: pm-dir@ietf.org
> > > > Subject: RE: [pm-dir] Performance metrics doctors generated email -
> > > > new version.
> > > >
> > > > Sorry for perhaps not catching on,
> > > > but are you suggesting setting up a single account for all of the
> > > > directorate and using "Google Tasks" to aggregate the review
> > > > statuses ?
> > > >
> > > > While this could work, I think there are perhaps better options.
> > > >
> > > > The simplest would be just maintaining a table with draft-name +
> > > reviewer
> > > > + status + date
> > > > on a wiki.
> > > >
> > > > As a reviewer for several academic journals I know they have tools
> > > > (much too advanced for our present needs) that select the most
> > > > appropriate reviewer(s), send them emails, receive their
> > > > acceptance/rejection of the task, send email reminders when the due
> > > > date approaches, input the review, etc.
> > > >
> > > > Y(J)S
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: pm-dir-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:pm-dir-bounces@ietf.org] On
> > > > Behalf Of Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 17:00
> > > > To: MORTON JR., ALFRED (AL)
> > > > Cc: Benoit Claise (bclaise); pm-dir@ietf.org; Paul Aitken (paitken);
> > > Alan
> > > > DeKok
> > > > Subject: Re: [pm-dir] Performance metrics doctors generated email -
> > > > new version.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Feb 20, 2013, at 9:36 AM, "MORTON JR., ALFRED (AL)"
> > > <acmorton@att.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Ok Benoit,
> > > > > I have a version of the doc going, but probably won't finish till
> > > > > after the revised deadline expires...
> > > > >
> > > > > Before going further, it would be useful to know if anyone in the
> > > > > directorate objects to using or establishing a gmail account in
> > > > > order to register their review assignments and status.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > No objection. I think it's a great solution.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > -- Carlos.
> > > >
> > > > > regards,
> > > > > Al
> > > > >
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