Re: v 1.2, IETF material
Dave Crocker <dcrocker@mordor.stanford.edu> Tue, 01 December 1992 15:29 UTC
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Subject: Re: v 1.2, IETF material
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While the IESG/IAB meeting at the end of IETF week did conclude that there were basic legal difficulties with formal recognition of design teams, I continue to believe that we should/must find a way to incorporate them. Attorneys have two modes of operation. Their default mode is to find all of the things wrong. But their other mode is to be told that a thing must be done and that the attorney's job is to find adequate justification for it. We need to invoke this latter mode for developing the specification for design teams. Design Teams are a fact of IETF life and much of the discomfort that we experience in working groups, I believe, is from their absence (design by committee) or by inadequately incorporating their work (folks feel coerced, for example.) The concern for collusion is real and must be delt with directly. But I do not believe that avoiding formal mention of design teams is the answer. I believe that explicit discussion of them -- and the obligations and limitations to their behavior -- is required. Dave
- v 1.2, IETF material Carl Malamud
- Change suggestion Re: v 1.2, IETF material Einar Stefferud
- Re: v 1.2, IETF material John C Klensin
- Re: v 1.2, IETF material Erik Huizer
- Re: v 1.2, IETF material Dave Crocker
- Re: v 1.2, IETF material Bob Stewart
- Re: v 1.2, IETF material John C Klensin
- Re: v 1.2, IETF material Barry M. Leiner
- Re: v 1.2, IETF material Frank Kastenholz
- Re: v 1.2, IETF material John C Klensin
- Re: Design Teams (was v 1.2, IETF material) Bob Stewart
- Re: v 1.2, IETF material Einar Stefferud
- Re: v 1.2, IETF material Dave Crocker
- Re: v 1.2, IETF material Einar Stefferud
- Re: v 1.2, IETF material Vinton G. Cerf
- Design Teams (was "v 1.2, IETF material") Gary Scott Malkin
- Re: Design Teams (was "v 1.2, IETF material") Dave Crocker
- Re: Design Teams (was "v 1.2, IETF material") Marshall Rose
- Re: Design Teams (was "v 1.2, IETF material") Bob Stewart
- Re: Design Teams (was "v 1.2, IETF material") John C Klensin
- Re: Design Teams (was "v 1.2, IETF material") Marshall Rose
- Design Teams (was "v 1.2, IETF material") Gary Scott Malkin
- Re: Design Teams (was "v 1.2, IETF material") Marshall Rose
- Re: v 1.2, IETF material Barry M. Leiner
- Re: v 1.2, IETF material Dave Crocker
- Re: v 1.2, IETF material Einar Stefferud
- Re: v 1.2, IETF material Beast (Donald E. Eastlake, 3rd)
- Re: v 1.2, IETF material Frank Kastenholz
- Re: v 1.2, IETF material Beast (Donald E. Eastlake, 3rd)
- Re: Design Teams (was "v 1.2, IETF material") James R. (Chuck) Davin
- Re: Design Teams (was "v 1.2, IETF material") John Curran
- Re: v 1.2, IETF material Einar Stefferud
- Re: v 1.2, IETF material Beast (Donald E. Eastlake, 3rd)
- Re: v 1.2, IETF material Vinton G. Cerf
- Re: v 1.2, IETF material Vinton G. Cerf
- Re: v 1.2, IETF material Beast (Donald E. Eastlake, 3rd)
- Re: v 1.2, IETF material Carl Malamud
- Re: v 1.2, IETF material Vinton G. Cerf
- Re: v 1.2, IETF material Einar Stefferud
- v 1.2, IETF material Gary Scott Malkin
- Re: Design Teams (was "v 1.2, IETF material") Bob Stewart
- Re: Design Teams (was "v 1.2, IETF material") Einar Stefferud
- Re: Design Teams (was "v 1.2, IETF material") Dave Crocker