Re: Design Teams (was v 1.2, IETF material)
Bob Stewart <rlstewart@eng.xyplex.com> Tue, 01 December 1992 21:36 UTC
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In-Reply-To: John C Klensin's message of 01 Dec 1992 15:24:00 -0500 (EST) <723241440.932040.KLENSIN@INFOODS.UNU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Design Teams (was v 1.2, IETF material)
This is a messy issue. I'm living through part of the mess right now. SNMPv2 is being developed from a proposal submitted by a design team. I'm having to constantly fight the perception that the well-known proposers are simply getting their way, even though we are spending considerable mailing list and meeting time trying to determine an open consensus. I don't know if I'll win the perception battle. I'm not even convinced such victory is possible. The design team submitted a comprehensive, well-considered proposal, including four implementations. We waited for other proposals, and got none, so theirs became the base. The clear, strong, consistent community consensus has been that we should complete our work quickly, based on their proposal. This has not kept us from protests that we are sacrificing speed for quality and that the authors are getting their way because of an old boy conspiracy. In fact, we've made a lot of changes, but no substantial changes have been handed out simply for political peace, partly because I object strongly to such compromise of quality. They didn't document all their discussions, including everything they considered and why they did what they did. I don't believe you can ever do that well enough. I've often heard doing that discussed but never saw it tried. Time pressure and the heat of progress cause such good intentions to slip away, and new people will always believe their idea is enough different that the archives don't count anyway. I don't see any new way to fix this without sacrificing the quality of work done by a small, focussed, experienced group to the madness of design by committee. The only solution I see is what I'm doing: everything I can to be open and fair while maintaining consensus-based quality and getting done in the time demanded. I can only hope history will be kind. Bob
- v 1.2, IETF material Carl Malamud
- Change suggestion Re: v 1.2, IETF material Einar Stefferud
- Re: v 1.2, IETF material John C Klensin
- Re: v 1.2, IETF material Erik Huizer
- Re: v 1.2, IETF material Dave Crocker
- Re: v 1.2, IETF material Bob Stewart
- Re: v 1.2, IETF material John C Klensin
- Re: v 1.2, IETF material Barry M. Leiner
- Re: v 1.2, IETF material Frank Kastenholz
- Re: v 1.2, IETF material John C Klensin
- Re: Design Teams (was v 1.2, IETF material) Bob Stewart
- Re: v 1.2, IETF material Einar Stefferud
- Re: v 1.2, IETF material Dave Crocker
- Re: v 1.2, IETF material Einar Stefferud
- Re: v 1.2, IETF material Vinton G. Cerf
- Design Teams (was "v 1.2, IETF material") Gary Scott Malkin
- Re: Design Teams (was "v 1.2, IETF material") Dave Crocker
- Re: Design Teams (was "v 1.2, IETF material") Marshall Rose
- Re: Design Teams (was "v 1.2, IETF material") Bob Stewart
- Re: Design Teams (was "v 1.2, IETF material") John C Klensin
- Re: Design Teams (was "v 1.2, IETF material") Marshall Rose
- Design Teams (was "v 1.2, IETF material") Gary Scott Malkin
- Re: Design Teams (was "v 1.2, IETF material") Marshall Rose
- Re: v 1.2, IETF material Barry M. Leiner
- Re: v 1.2, IETF material Dave Crocker
- Re: v 1.2, IETF material Einar Stefferud
- Re: v 1.2, IETF material Beast (Donald E. Eastlake, 3rd)
- Re: v 1.2, IETF material Frank Kastenholz
- Re: v 1.2, IETF material Beast (Donald E. Eastlake, 3rd)
- Re: Design Teams (was "v 1.2, IETF material") James R. (Chuck) Davin
- Re: Design Teams (was "v 1.2, IETF material") John Curran
- Re: v 1.2, IETF material Einar Stefferud
- Re: v 1.2, IETF material Beast (Donald E. Eastlake, 3rd)
- Re: v 1.2, IETF material Vinton G. Cerf
- Re: v 1.2, IETF material Vinton G. Cerf
- Re: v 1.2, IETF material Beast (Donald E. Eastlake, 3rd)
- Re: v 1.2, IETF material Carl Malamud
- Re: v 1.2, IETF material Vinton G. Cerf
- Re: v 1.2, IETF material Einar Stefferud
- v 1.2, IETF material Gary Scott Malkin
- Re: Design Teams (was "v 1.2, IETF material") Bob Stewart
- Re: Design Teams (was "v 1.2, IETF material") Einar Stefferud
- Re: Design Teams (was "v 1.2, IETF material") Dave Crocker