Manual network access logins (Was: Re: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points?)
Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@piuha.net> Sat, 19 May 2007 06:47 UTC
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Subject: Manual network access logins (Was: Re: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points?)
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Gert, Tony, >> Mobile IPv6 aka "VoIP connections survive roaming about" sounds like >> a good plan for when we have omnipresent IP connectivity without having >> to manually login to all these different access points - but this is >> some >> distant future, at least over here. Which is why there might not be so >> much demand... This is indeed a significant problem. As long as the login process is manual, all work stops until the user looks at the screen and takes out his credit card or types a password. This applies equally well to communications that could survive address changes (Mobile IPv6, HIP, SIP, etc.) as any other communications, such as polling your e-mail server for new messages. There are many reasons for this situation both on the technical and perhaps even more in the business side. Lack of a technical solution is not the problem; we have some and we could easily invent more. Its more of a question of how many solutions we have, having a solution in all devices as opposed to just most of them, suitability of solutions to the different business models providers have, etc. But I would suggest this is an orthogonal problem to discussing routing scalability or even mobility. We know that we as the industry must solve the network access problem, if we are going to have gadgets that don't need continuous attention from their owners and large screens to look at login pages. Or $9.95 for every movement to a new administrative domain... > You can already wander around cities like Mountain View CA with WiFi > connectivity. When WiMax deploys, if even 50% of the hype comes true, > this is going to become more common. And EVDO is already doing this > today. Or GPRS and UMTS. But you have to separate the the hype about wide-spread connectivity of a particular access technology and its effect to the network access problem. The problem is not lack of wide-spread connectivity, but more in the use of different networks. GPRS, UMTS, and perhaps EVDO and later WIMAX are capable of serving you all over the place. Each of these networks gives you an automatic network access mechanisms. No typing, no web pages, completely automatic. And even some of the movements between these networks work automatically. However, not all combinations can be made to work automatically. More importantly, there are networks that do not use the automatic means or do not have roaming with your own provider. E.g., even if you do not need to type anything in the new WIMAX network, you probably still have to use your credit card or password if you switch from WIMAX to a local WiFi network. Jari _______________________________________________ RAM mailing list RAM@iab.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ram
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