Re: [rtcweb] Confirmation of consensus on audio codecs

Basil Mohamed Gohar <basilgohar@librevideo.org> Fri, 17 August 2012 20:08 UTC

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On 08/16/2012 09:38 PM, Richard Shockey wrote:
> SOOO WRONG .. just do a simple search.  It just hasn't been fully litigated
> ...yet.
It's impossible for something to be fully litigated.  Even someone
licensing H.264 through MPEG-LA is liable to be sued, as Motorola has
taught us, and the promises from the cartel hold no guarantees for their
future.

The condition you are placing on VP8 is impossible to meet and falsely
assumed to apply to H.264.  What is real is that H.264 has a licensing
situation that excludes implementation in a free software context in
most places of the world that will use it, and VP8 does not.

Now, this is a discussion about the audio codecs, but FUD is FUD and
needs to be nipped in the bud.