Re: [rtcweb] Confirmation of consensus on audio codecs
Harald Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no> Thu, 30 August 2012 05:49 UTC
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Confirmation of consensus on audio codecs
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On 08/30/2012 12:16 AM, Richard Shockey wrote: > Fine works for me but please 722 WB for SHOULD. Of course none of this will > be of any significance if you can't agree on a reasonable offer/answer model > that interoperates with public SIP networks ( previously called the PSTN ) We've already got people writing Javascript that interworks with Asterisk, so I don't think this is going to be a problem (unless someone decides to start over again). > > -----Original Message----- > From: rtcweb-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:rtcweb-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Harald Alvestrand > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 6:22 AM > To: rtcweb@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Confirmation of consensus on audio codecs > > Since the number of people stating their opinion has been large, I'll just > reiterate the opinion I had (and hummed for) in Vancouver: > > Opus and G.711 should be mandatory to implement for RTCWEB. > > Since the question of whether there's any value to making the decision now > has been raised: > > The first interoperable products implementing RTCWEB are shipping within a > very short timeframe. Those first implementations will shape the market for > what's actually used in practice. > In order to allow applications requiring high quality sound to be among the > first ones developed, those first products need to include a common choice > of a high quality codec. > > Having the RTCWEB WG state as a decision that this codec should be Opus > helps in making sure these products ship with Opus. > > The time to decide is now. > > Harald > > [Note - the same logic applies to video codecs, but I've accepted that it's > impossible to make a consensus decision at this time on that issue. > We'll just live with the consequences of that.] > > On 08/16/2012 07:15 PM, Cullen Jennings (fluffy) wrote: >> At the last meeting we took a hum on selecting Opus and G.711 as the > mediatory to implement audio codecs. If there is any new opinions please > send them to the list by August 30th, after which the chairs will make a > determination of consensus. >> Thanks, >> Cullen >> >> Please note that the following IPR disclosure have been made on these >> codecs. They can be found at >> >> http://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/ >> >> >> 2010-11-07 >> . ID # 1445 >> "Broadcom Corporation's Statement about IPR related to > draft-ietf-codec-opus-00 and draft-ietf-codec-description-00 (1)" >> 2010-11-07 >> . ID # 1446 >> "Xiph.Org Foundation's Statement about IPR related to > draft-ietf-codec-opus-00" >> 2010-11-12 >> . ID # 1447 >> "Broadcom Corporation's Statement about IPR related to > draft-ietf-codec-opus-00 and draft-ietf-codec-description-00 (2)" >> 2011-03-23 >> . ID # 1520 >> "Qualcomm Incorporated's Statement about IPR related to > draft-ietf-codec-opus-05" >> 2011-03-27 >> . ID # 1524 >> "Xiph.Org Foundation's Statement about IPR related to > draft-ietf-codec-opus-05" >> 2011-03-29 >> . ID # 1526 >> "Broadcom Corporation's Statement about IPR related to > draft-ietf-codec-opus-05" >> 2011-03-29 >> . ID # 1525 >> "Skype Limited's Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-codec-opus-05" >> 2011-07-23 >> . ID # 1602 >> "Skype Limited's Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-codec-opus-07" >> 2012-01-25 >> . ID # 1670 >> "Microsoft Corporation's Statement about IPR related to > draft-ietf-codec-opus-10" >> 2012-03-12 >> . ID # 1712 >> "Huawei Technologies Co.,Ltd's Statement about IPR related to > draft-ietf-codec-opus-11 (1)" >> 2012-04-02 >> . ID # 1741 >> "Huawei Technologies Co.,Ltd's Statement about IPR related to > draft-ietf-codec-opus-11 (2)" >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> rtcweb mailing list >> rtcweb@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb > _______________________________________________ > rtcweb mailing list > rtcweb@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb >
- Re: [rtcweb] Confirmation of consensus on audio c… Richard Shockey
- Re: [rtcweb] Confirmation of consensus on audio c… Monty Montgomery
- [rtcweb] Confirmation of consensus on audio codecs Cullen Jennings (fluffy)
- Re: [rtcweb] Confirmation of consensus on audio c… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] Confirmation of consensus on audio c… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [rtcweb] Confirmation of consensus on audio c… Richard Shockey
- Re: [rtcweb] Confirmation of consensus on audio c… Richard Shockey
- Re: [rtcweb] Confirmation of consensus on audio c… Monty Montgomery
- Re: [rtcweb] Confirmation of consensus on audio c… Lorenzo Miniero
- Re: [rtcweb] Confirmation of consensus on audio c… Matthew Kaufman
- Re: [rtcweb] Confirmation of consensus on audio c… Jonathan Rosenberg
- Re: [rtcweb] Confirmation of consensus on audio c… Ken Fischer
- Re: [rtcweb] Confirmation of consensus on audio c… Basil Mohamed Gohar
- Re: [rtcweb] Confirmation of consensus on audio c… Basil Mohamed Gohar
- Re: [rtcweb] Confirmation of consensus on audio c… Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] Confirmation of consensus on audio c… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [rtcweb] Confirmation of consensus on audio c… Richard Shockey
- Re: [rtcweb] Confirmation of consensus on audio c… Richard Shockey
- Re: [rtcweb] Confirmation of consensus on audio c… Silvia Pfeiffer
- Re: [rtcweb] Confirmation of consensus on audio c… tom harper
- Re: [rtcweb] Confirmation of consensus on audio c… stephane.proust
- Re: [rtcweb] Confirmation of consensus on audio c… Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] Confirmation of consensus on audio c… Ted Hardie
- Re: [rtcweb] Confirmation of consensus on audio c… Lishitao
- Re: [rtcweb] Confirmation of consensus on audio c… Neil Stratford
- Re: [rtcweb] Confirmation of consensus on audio c… Markus.Isomaki
- Re: [rtcweb] Confirmation of consensus on audio c… Stefan Hakansson LK
- Re: [rtcweb] Confirmation of consensus on audio c… Jean-Marc Valin
- Re: [rtcweb] Confirmation of consensus on audio c… Paul Coverdale
- Re: [rtcweb] Confirmation of consensus on audio c… Markus.Isomaki
- Re: [rtcweb] Confirmation of consensus on audio c… Stefan Hakansson LK
- Re: [rtcweb] Confirmation of consensus on audio c… Lishitao
- Re: [rtcweb] Confirmation of consensus on audio c… Olle E. Johansson
- Re: [rtcweb] Confirmation of consensus on audio c… Stefan Hakansson LK
- Re: [rtcweb] Confirmation of consensus on audio c… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Confirmation of consensus on audio c… Markus.Isomaki
- Re: [rtcweb] Confirmation of consensus on audio c… Jean-Marc Valin
- Re: [rtcweb] Confirmation of consensus on audio c… Jean-Marc Valin
- Re: [rtcweb] Confirmation of consensus on audio c… Bernhard.Feiten
- Re: [rtcweb] Confirmation of consensus on audio c… Mandyam, Giridhar
- Re: [rtcweb] Confirmation of consensus on audio c… Marc Petit-Huguenin
- Re: [rtcweb] Confirmation of consensus on audio c… Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] Confirmation of consensus on audio c… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [rtcweb] Confirmation of consensus on audio c… Randall Gellens
- Re: [rtcweb] Confirmation of consensus on audio c… Basil Mohamed Gohar
- Re: [rtcweb] Confirmation of consensus on audio c… Richard Shockey
- Re: [rtcweb] Confirmation of consensus on audio c… Randall Gellens
- Re: [rtcweb] Confirmation of consensus on audio c… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Confirmation of consensus on audio c… Stefan Hakansson LK
- Re: [rtcweb] Confirmation of consensus on audio c… Neil Stratford
- Re: [rtcweb] Confirmation of consensus on audio c… Randall Gellens
- Re: [rtcweb] Confirmation of consensus on audio c… Ted Hardie
- Re: [rtcweb] Confirmation of consensus on audio c… Timothy B. Terriberry
- Re: [rtcweb] Confirmation of consensus on audio c… Ron
- [rtcweb] Consensus Statement for Re: Confirmation… Magnus Westerlund