Re: [rtcweb] VP8 vs H.264 - the core issue

[Lorenzo Miniero <[e-mail]>]

Il giorno Fri, 25 Oct 2013 04:03:12 -0400
cowwoc <[e-mail]> ha scritto:

> On 25/10/2013 12:16 AM, Harald Alvestrand wrote:
> > On 10/25/2013 01:13 AM, cb.list6 wrote:
> >>
> >> There is no holding back vp8, it can always be negotiated.
> >>
> >> My guidance is no mti.
> >>
> >> I, for one, am tired of the gang-land ipr turf wars and posturing. 
> >> This argument is all about ipr, and ietf is explicitly setup to
> >> punt on all ipr issue because they are hard.
> >>
> >> Any layperson can see there is no concensus to be found. That's
> >> why we designed for codec negotiating and negotiating away from
> >> failure is left for implementation
> >>
> > Formalistically, the people who argue for abandoning an MTI, like
> > the people who argue for adapting an antiquated codec, have not put
> > in a draft by the chairs' deadline of October 6, so have not made a
> > proposal.
> >
> > But I'm not the one who argued for this to be put on the agenda for
> > 2 hours.
> > The people who pushed for this to be on the agenda for 2 hours need
> > to come forward and say why they believe this is a good use of our
> > time. I haven't yet heard a VP8 proponent saying so.
> >
> > So far, apart from learning a bit more about configuring x264, I 
> > haven't seen much new information.
> 
>      I think the real elephant in the room is whether Apple and 
> Microsoft (who are on the H264 bandwagon) will decide to implement
> VP8 just because you mandate it or whether they will side-step WebRTC 
> altogether. FireFox's market-share is decline so more and more this
> is becoming a story of Chrome vs IE (on desktop) + Safari (on mobile).
> 
>      The real question we should be asking is how to get Apple and 
> Microsoft on board. If we could get everyone on board, the question
> of what codec should be used would melt away (hint: there is no
> objective answer to this question).
> 
> Gili


The real question is not whether or not Apple and Microsoft will
implement VP8, but when they'll deign to start working on something
WebRTC at all. As most of the H.264 advocates in general, I'd dare to
say (at least from what I've seen so far).

Lorenzo


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