Re: [rtcweb] VP8 vs H.264 - the core issue

[Harald Alvestrand <[e-mail]>]

On 10/26/2013 09:19 PM, cowwoc wrote:
> On 25/10/2013 7:23 PM, Ted Hardie wrote:
>> On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 2:47 PM, cowwoc <[e-mail]
>> <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>         From an end-user point of view, the only thing I really care
>>     about is getting WebRTC support from Microsoft and Apple. Because
>>     I view everything through that prism, my primary concern is how
>>     this decision affects them jumping on board.
>>
>>
>> Do you mean "getting WebRTC support from Microsoft and Apple." or
>> "adding WebRTC support from Microsoft and  Apple to that available
>> from Firefox and Chrome?"
>>
>> regards,
>>
>> Ted Hardie
>
> Hi Ted,
>
>     I'm not sure whether I understood your question correctly. Is this
> what you meant?
>
>  1. Getting Microsoft and Apple to implement and bundle WebRTC as part
>     of IE and Safari, versus
>  2. Having outsiders (e.g. Firefox or Chrome) offer free plugins for
>     IE and Safari without Microsoft and Apple's support
>
>     If that's what you meant, then I'm asking for #1. As we've seen
> before (e.g. Chrome refusing to carry H264) just because a plugin is
> available does not mean that a vendor will agree to bundle it as part
> of the browser. As Monty pointed out, this has more to do with market
> control than licensing fees.
>
>     I think we will all suffer unless Microsoft and Apple genuinely
> want to jump on board the WebRTC train. I disagree with the assessment
> that they are sitting around waiting for us to make up our mind.
> Microsoft put out some feelers in the form of CU-RTC-Web and,
> regardless of the merits of that proposal, was clobbered from all
> directions. A more appropriate response would have been to sit down
> with their representatives and say "Listen. We value your feedback. We
> won't be able to integrate all of it in version 1.0 but here is a
> compromise that integrates part of what you said... Can we use this as
> a basis for an ongoing relationship?" Instead, the representative from
> Microsoft is sounding very defensive and I can't say I blame them.
>

I actually think Martin Thomson and Travis Leithead have been giving
great input and been positive contributors. Not to belittle the
contributions of others, but those two especially have made many
positive contributions.

>     An open process has to feel genuine, not just in words, but also
> in actions.
>
>

I think we may have some differing perspectives.

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