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Re: [spring] WGLC - draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming

Sander Steffann <sander@steffann.nl> Mon, 02 March 2020 20:03 UTC

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Hi Bruno,

>> Wait, what?!  There is no "we needed to advance this document" in the IETF or any other consensus based forum...
> 
> By advance this document, I meant start the WG LC. Which is about collecting comments on the document.

I think you are confused. This document has been in WG LC since December… I think many of us read "advance this document" as "declare consensus on WG LC".

> The situation is that there was and is a single chair. I'm personally ok to not proceed with any adoption call or last call while there is no other co-chair. Note that my AD never asked for this.

I'm glad you confirm that no consensus has been declared. That seems the appropriate state at the moment.

>> Based on the discussions on the mailing list (including questions on why PSP is so important that we can't take it out for now which have never been clearly answered by the authors) I can't see you can possibly declare consensus.
>> 
>> If there is going to be an appeal I will certainly put my signature on it.
> 
> This is you right to appeal to the IESG.

Now that we know that consensus hasn't been declared and the document is still in LC I think appealing would be premature :)

> Note that appealing to the IESG is exactly what I'm proposing to do with regards to the reading of RFC 8200.

Getting that feedback would indeed be helpful.

Cheers!
Sander

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